Iran

kendor said:
jasy said:
kendor said:
jasy said:
If we keep going like this conscription might be re-started. ;) We might just make a man of Kendor yet :LOL:
Too old, too ill to go, thank god.

You will find sympathy between s*it and syphillis :LOL:
Who asked for sympathy? merely stating my relief that i will not be called up, still you seem to enjoy the thought of going abroad and killing and butchering a few innocents so perhaps you will get your chance, I feel so happy for you.

You said you were too old, i did not realise that someone with a mental age of 7 was mature ;)
 
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Petewood , when he says that he's talking about himself, so not worthy of any reply ;)
 
Very clever, but I think that answering via a third party must be worth at least £250!
 
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AdamW wrote:

Now assuming that is correct, we could undoubtedly kick their Salman Rushdie-hating bottoms, but it would be a real headache for us and the US. Lots dead on all three sides (us, them and the civilians), lots of big bangs. Not to mention the fact that they would hate us for several generations and this hatred would possibly stir up greater trouble later on.

I have difficulty understanding the concept of mixing religion with politics. Iran, like it or not, is a democracy, be it of a different kind to that of Western Europe's. But America mixes religion with politics to some extent. That is why Dubbya is in power. Liberalism, to the minds of the majority of Americans who recently voted, is a bad thing.

The Iranian people do not hate the Western Europeans nor Americans. Their politicians are of a background as diverse as possible. Their thinking as sophisticated as you could ever find. They are trying out and have somehow advanced in their religio-political experiment. The religion is Islam. Foreigners are treated better in Iran than in Saudi Arabia - friendly nation to the West.

From where I am sitting, nuclear weapons in the hands of the government of Iran would be no more dangerous than nuclear weapons in the hands of Pakistan.

When the professor, a pacifist, wrote to the president to warn him about the nazi A-bomb capabilty and advised him that it was possible for America to get the bomb first, the professor could not have known the devasted use America would make of the A-bomb. He should have from his equarion E=mc^2 that a small mass would relaese an infinite amount of energy. Look at the Russian Andrei Sacharov - the accidental inventor of the more potent H-bomb (or thermonuclear bomb), he also became a pacifist. I say accidental, because his supervisor, Dr Igor Tamm recognised the potency of his work on Comic ray research before he did.

Why should Iran not be allowed to learn from its own mistakes if it is the bomb they want and not electricity or both? Why should America have the capabilty and not Iran?
Who could have stopped Dubbya'sadministration from invading Iraq?

In the days of the Thatcher government Britain refused to put its Nuclear war heads into the equation for disarmanent. The Russians pressed America to factor in the British capability. I remember very well that Mrs Thatcher said that the trident missiles were nuclear deterent. So why can't have the capability for a nuclear deterrent?

We are all not safe so long as any one country has nuclear weapons. So the concept of nuclear deterrent is absolute rubbish. They should all give up. No one is the child of a lesser god. Iran should never be invaded under the pretext of possesion of nuclear weapons or nuclear capabilty.

Everyone should agree to bin their nuclear weapons!
 
Having seen what happened to Iraq because a) their style of government didn't suit the US and b) they knew full well that they couldn't fight back, then if I were Iran then I wouldn't give up a thing....
 
kendor said:
Petewood , when he says that he's talking about himself, so not worthy of any reply ;)

Come on Kendor you can do better than that...............you are letting me down :LOL:
 
please fogive spelling mistakes. Blame too many pop-ups on my screen. have to hurry before they switch log me out.

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That is all I have time for.
 
CaesarG said:
AdamW wrote:

Now assuming that is correct, we could undoubtedly kick their Salman Rushdie-hating bottoms, but it would be a real headache for us and the US. Lots dead on all three sides (us, them and the civilians), lots of big bangs. Not to mention the fact that they would hate us for several generations and this hatred would possibly stir up greater trouble later on.

I have difficulty understanding the concept of mixing religion with politics. Iran, like it or not, is a democracy, be it of a different kind to that of Western Europe's. But America mixes religion with politics to some extent. That is why Dubbya is in power. Liberalism, to the minds of the majority of Americans who recently voted, is a bad thing.

The Iranian people do not hate the Western Europeans nor Americans. Their politicians are of a background as diverse as possible. Their thinking as sophisticated as you could ever find. They are trying out and have somehow advanced in their religio-political experiment. The religion is Islam. Foreigners are treated better in Iran than in Saudi Arabia - friendly nation to the West.

From where I am sitting, nuclear weapons in the hands of the government of Iran would be no more dangerous than nuclear weapons in the hands of Pakistan.

When the professor, a pacifist, wrote to the president to warn him about the nazi A-bomb capabilty and advised him that it was possible for America to get the bomb first, the professor could not have known the devasted use America would make of the A-bomb. He should have from his equarion E=mc^2 that a small mass would relaese an infinite amount of energy. Look at the Russian Andrei Sacharov - the accidental inventor of the more potent H-bomb (or thermonuclear bomb), he also became a pacifist. I say accidental, because his supervisor, Dr Igor Tamm recognised the potency of his work on Comic ray research before he did.

Why should Iran not be allowed to learn from its own mistakes if it is the bomb they want and not electricity or both? Why should America have the capabilty and not Iran?
Who could have stopped Dubbya'sadministration from invading Iraq?

In the days of the Thatcher government Britain refused to put its Nuclear war heads into the equation for disarmanent. The Russians pressed America to factor in the British capability. I remember very well that Mrs Thatcher said that the trident missiles were nuclear deterent. So why can't have the capability for a nuclear deterrent?

We are all not safe so long as any one country has nuclear weapons. So the concept of nuclear deterrent is absolute rubbish. They should all give up. No one is the child of a lesser god. Iran should never be invaded under the pretext of possesion of nuclear weapons or nuclear capabilty.

Everyone should agree to bin their nuclear weapons!
Hear Hear! what a great post.
 
Nice post, just one point... Iran is not a democracy, it is a theocracy.

So, whereas a country such as the US mixes politics and religion (i.e. the Grey Gurner's strange obsession with repealing equality laws for gays "cos them's whats does it in the butt jis ain't natch-yer-all"), Iran uses religion as a basis for politics. In the US religion and state are effectively separated. Admittedly, many try to bring one into the other, with varying degrees of success. Point to note, the phrase "under god" was added to their pledge of allegiance due to a catholic lobby group.

However, the laws and politics of Iran are governed by interpretation of the Quran. And as we know, religious texts can be somewhat "passionate", especially depending how you interpret it.

"What's the big deal?" you may say. Well, I'm not an islamic scholar, I have only read parts of the Quran and it was of course a translation anyway. But it is not unfeasible that it would be possible to interpret some set of conditions (perhaps Israel stealing yet more land), as the start of an apocalypse or an obligation of jihad.

Nukes and religious interpretation do NOT go together!

I don't think there is a need for us to go to war with Iran. I think it would be a thoroughly stupid thing to do. But, I definitely don't want them to have nukes! Nor do I want India or Pakistan to have nukes. I don't want anyone to have nukes if there is a chance they will ever use them. It sucks that France has them, but there is more chance of Dubbya joining MENSA than there is of France ever fighting. Just so long as the US doesn't go ahead with its concept of mini-nukes (so they can actually be used) then we are sound as a pound... erm... euro.
 
Hi AdamW,

I agree with much of what you have written. I have had the good fortune of meeting Arabs of many different backgrounds. I have also had the good fortune of knowing many non Arabic Mohammedans. Islamic fundamentlism and Islamic sharia law has been on the agenda for many years. Non of the Islamic people I have known have ever asked me about my religion.

Sharia in particular was very interesting to me because I grew up in a country that had no conflict between its Islamic and Christian communities.

I saw the advent of Islamic fundamentalism and the new aggresive forms of self-righteous Christanity. This type of Christianitity usually has its source in the U.S. It does not recognise Islam as a religion that believes in God. Those churches are sprawling in the streets of London. In fact they believe that they are the only Christians. If you elect leaders from these aggressive "Islam-hating" churches then we have crusades back on the agenda again.

I think we know why Colin Powell resigned. He was never invited to the policy making meetings until they have decided under the guise of Dubbya's divine calling. With Dubbya's divine calling to liberate the world, the neo-conservatives zeal to conquer and recolonise the world and the influence of the Jewish lobby on the neo-conservatives and the Jewish lobby being influenced by underground zionism, who is running the big machine called the USA? Let us not forget that the professor refused to be the president of the Zionist State of Israel. Lets see how Secretary Condolezza Rice does.

Why is it that my past Isalmic friends new that Dubbya will invade Afghanistan immeaditely after 9/11 and after Afghanista Dubbya will go to Iraq? They also told me when he has finnished with Iraq he will go to Iran. I feel like a fool because I thought I knew something about the elder president Bush. I argued that America will never invade the Taliban. America did. Then I argued America will not invade Iraq. They did. That is why Iran is now important to me.

I will continue later.

CaesarG
 
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