Is a Swiss style deal on the way

[Deleted member 174758]

The bottom line is that the only solution is tariff and quota free trade globally, which is something UK has always aimed at and why it was the founder member of the WTO.

So what you want is a unicorn, which isn't ever going to happen. So why hobble the UK with not being able to trade freely with our nearest and richest neighbours, not being able to meet labour demands and not being able to get decent trade agreements because on our own we are far weaker?

Food standards are a classic example, standards of food worldwide are particularly high but the EU will find a way of downgrading another countries standards to protect their own expensive farmers, if the EU dictates no more than six chickens can be kept in a cage, a country that keeps seven chickens in a cage is blocked from exporting to the EU on animal welfare grounds, **** the fact that they themselves try to pass off horsemeat as beef, **** the fact that they force feed birds to enlarge their livers for the production of Foie Gras, **** the fact that they stampede cattle though the streets of Spain for entertainment and **** the fact that they still have bullfighting (the bull never wins) in Spain.

So because of a limited number of issues, we should downgrade our practices to mstch, say, the USA or China? That isn't good for animal welfare, either. I don't know about you, but foi gras us a bit rich for me, and always was. And on the subject of adulteration, maybe you should research the Macdonalds kangaroo meat/nematode worm scandal of some years ago, or for that matter BSE in the UK (as sanctioned by Maggie T)

It's a tricky one, the EU isn't the solution

But neither is what we are doing to ourselves right now

 

[Deleted member 174758]

For context gb news ran a poll of its viewers, 55% of who said they would vote remain now.

And which political camp do they belong to? (rehetorical question)

 

[fillyboy]

But neither is what we are doing to ourselves right now

Or indeed what the EU are inflicting on themselves, and let's make no mistake, they are to an extent self harming with their vindictiveness. Divorces are never easy, there's usually a degree of acrimony and blame, and a bit of spitefulness. Eventually the wounds heal and the ex partners usually resume some sort of guarded friendship, sometimes they become best buddies.

We won't rejoin the EU, we will become friends with them again and trade will become easier, we'll pull together with them on certain projects for our mutual benefit and I daresay we'll pull together when military support is needed, as we have done with Ukraine.

We're not at war with them, it's simply a few minor disagreements that will be ironed out over time, or is that not what you want?

 

[Notch7]

they are to an extent self harming with their vindictiveness. Divorces are never easy, there's usually a degree of acrimony and blame, and a bit of spitefulness

It’s funny how brexers wanted the UK to take back control, yet have a hissy fit when the EU do the same.

brexers wanted to leave the EU yet didn’t want to lose the benefits.

 

[Notch7]

The UK had nothing to do with bilateral agreements between Switzerland and the EU. WTF are you on?

the state aid rules within the Swiss bilateral agreements are the state aid rules that apply to the SM.

perhaps you didn’t know

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Or indeed what the EU are inflicting on themselves, and let's make no mistake, they are to an extent self harming with their vindictiveness.

Just how is that, then? We are economically smaller than France or Germany, now, not to mention much smaller than the EU. We have lost part of our financial sector to Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin and gained nothing in return. Inwards investment since 2016 has more or less stalled - not so for the EU. Some key businesses have pulled out of the UK, or at the very least reduced investment here. Our businesses cannot recruit enough workers for many tasks - from nurses to slaughtermen, from crop pickerd to lorry drivers, we have labour shortages which are holding up everything. So where is this massive boost we were going to get? Nowhere to be seen

In the meantime we are not examining imports or charging duties on goods coming into the country - a massive loss to the treasury at a time when we need it, an open door to smugglers and as recent test checks have revealed a major risk to food hygeine and security. On the other side the EU are doing these checks. This is actually putting UK exporting businesses at a grave disadvantage - another massive own goal by this incompetent government. It is folly to believe that the EU, a much larger entity, can't exist without the UK. They can. It has SFA to do with vindictiveness - that is pure paranoia

We won't rejoin the EU, we will become friends with them again and trade will become easier, we'll pull together with them on certain projects for our mutual benefit and I daresay we'll pull together when military support is needed, as we have done with Ukraine.

And how long will this take? And how far down the pan will our economy go in the meantime? The damage to the UK done by Johnson, et al with their lies, deceit, willingness to break international treaties will take a very long time to heal

We're not at war with them

You could have fooled me with some of the rhetoric coming from the Rabid Right

it's simply a few minor disagreements that will be ironed out over time, or is that not what you want?

It's a situation where the lunatics (aka Brexiteers) have taken over the asylum and are seemingly hell-bent on damaging this country and wrecking our already damaged relationship with the EU on grounds of ideology, or is it "sovereignty" whatever the hell that ever meant? And that is certainly not what I, or many other people, want

 

[fillyboy]

Just how is that, then? We are economically smaller than France or Germany, now, not to mention much smsller than the EU. We have lost part of our financial sector to Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin and gained nothing in return. Inwards investment since 2016 has more or less stalled - nor so for the EU. Some key businesses gave pulled out of the UK, or at the very least reduced investment here. Our businesses csnnot recruit enough workers for many tasks - from nurses to slaughtermen, from crop pickerd to lorry drivers, we have labour shortages which are holdi g up everything. So where is this massive boost we were going to get? Nowhere to be seen

In the meantime we are not examining imports or charging duties on goods coming into the country - a massive loss to the treasury at a time when we need it, an open door to smugglers and as recent test checks have revealed a major risk to food hygeine and security. On the other side the EU are doing these checks. This is actually putting UK exporting businesses at a grave disadvantage - anothet massive own goal by this incompetent government. It is folly to believe that the EU, a much larger entity, can't exist without the UK. They can. It has SFA to do with vindictiveness - that is pure paranoia


And how long will this take? And how far down the pan will our economy go in the meantime? The damage to the UK done by Johnson, et al with their lies, deceit, willingness to break international treaties will take a very long time to heal


You could have fooled me with some of the rhetoric coming from the Rabid Right


It's a situation where the lunatics (aka Brexiteers) have taken over the asylum and are seemingly hell-bent on damaging this country and wrecking our already damaged relationship with the EU on grounds of ideology, or is it "sovereignty" whatever the hell that ever meant? And that is certainly not what I, or many other people, want

Wow, I take that back, you really at war.

 

[big-all]

Wow, I take that back, you really at war.

i actually think jxk comments a very fair with little hyperbole
we need an adult untrencheched conversation where compromise on both sides are more important than childish rants otherwise as our country slowly sinks into the pit of recession as compromise for the better off everyone is replaced by the chants off those who will never compromise

 

[fillyboy]

we need an adult untrencheched conversation where compromise on both sides are more important than childish rants otherwise as our country slowly sinks into the pit of recession as compromise for the better off everyone is replaced by the chants off those who will never compromise

I agree, see post #63.

we need an adult untrencheched conversation where compromise on both sides are more important than childish rants

Again, I agree and assume you're referring to post #66.

 

[big-all]

I agree, see post #63.


Again, I agree and assume you're referring to post #66.

i find it so frustrating that seemingly intelligent people dont see the danger or indeed evil caused by not compromising ' we need to fight the common cause and compromise as every day fighting each other will allow those "those in charge who know better" to feather there nests at our cost

 

[ellal]

i find it so frustrating that seemingly intelligent people dont see the danger or indeed evil caused by not compromising ' we need to fight the common cause and compromise as every day fighting each other will allow those "those in charge who know better" to feather there nests at our cost

Divide and rule is always the default tactic...

And 'foreigners' are always blamed when a country's policies have failed and the corrupt few who stand to make an awful lot of ill gotten gains can divert the blame...

But don't equate those who voted for brexit with being 'seemingly intelligent'...

What was termed 'project fear' is indeed reality and it was so obvious to see...

That's why they won't tell us of any benefits, and even if their unicorn dreams any up they won't tell us when they will happen...

5/10/50 years?

But then they don't care!

 

[noseall]

The best bit of this storyline is all the Brexers looking up stroke symptoms so they can pretend to be apoplectic about it. Whilst secretly responding to polls as remainers/made-a-mistakers.

Polls.
Even the right wing GB News audiences, are having second thoughts. Now that is a Brexit shocker.

 

[Notch7]

Has the EU ever had a budget/accounts audited and approved? Genuine question but I cant remember them being accepted but I do remember finance directors/ministers/people resigning etc.

It’s an old brexer trope.

they’ve always been audited.

 

[Odds]

It’s an old brexer trope.

they’ve always been audited.

That's all Bre*ers are: Old Tropes.

 

[Notch7]

i find it so frustrating that seemingly intelligent people dont see the danger or indeed evil caused by not compromising ' we need to fight the common cause and compromise as every day fighting each other will allow those "those in charge who know better" to feather there nests at our cost

Brexit was always Ideological not practical.

Now the Tory party face a dilemma, do they start to reverse Brexit, one of the few options available to generate growth.
or do they continue with economic damage and a slide into a long recession.