Is this real proof Tories are flogging the NHS?

Lower said:
That is true. But that's because i agree with the Tory MP's that this latest set of 'the tories are selling out the NHS and here's the documents to prove it' is Labour trying to deflect away from Corbyn's latest anti semitism crisis.
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It is not Labour trying to deflect away from anti semitism.......because for your argument to work, Corbyn would have been holding the documents and not acting on them, which is nonsensical.

Labour have been talking about their concerns of Tories selling out the NHS for months if not years.

The NHS will be a bargaining chip in a US deal -the UK has no negotiating power against the US.
Brexiteers know that, but they are in denial.
 
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Notch7 said:
It is not Labour trying to deflect away from anti semitism.......because for your argument to work, Corbyn would have been holding the documents and not acting on them, which is nonsensical.

Labour have been talking about their concerns of Tories selling out the NHS for months if not years.

The NHS will be a bargaining chip in a US deal -the UK has no negotiating power against the US.
Brexiteers know that, but they are in denial.
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Corbyn has been waving around a redacted version of the document for that last couple of weeks. They chose yesterday to start using the un-redacted version and making specific quotes.

You seem to under estimate the value of our market to both the EU and the US. Both want access to our markets because of the size of them. That gives significant weight to our bargaining position.

For example, the NHS £18 Billion ish drug spend is a major bargaining chip in its own right. The US drug companies want as much of that as they can get in the same way that EU companies don't want to lose it.

Outside of that, the only way the US will get access to the NHS is by competing for the bits that already operate privately or if the government chooses to privatise more of the NHS.

If US companies are competitive and offer more competitively priced offerings for the bits that are already privatised, what's wrong with that. That's not selling off the NHS, that's getting value for money.

Another area that's been discussed is the potential to align US nursing qualifications with UK qualifications so that US qualifications are recognised in the UK to enable US nurses to work in the UK. Again, sounds like a sensible plan to me and again, doesn't amount to selling of the NHS.
 
Ihavenojob said:
The reason they are expensive in the US is that you are paying retail for them, over here prescription drugs are the cost ( to the user)of a prescription on the NHS, what's that 5 or 6 quid ? If you use a private health insurance like BUPA they will be charged the going rate for drugs.
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The cost of drugs in the USA is over twice the amount we pay. Because we have NICE. The USA in a trade deal wants to dismantle our safety net...
Yes, a person on the street pays NHS prescription costs of a tenner, but it doesn't make sense to me to invite a deal that will cost the NHS more. It's already underfunded innit. Those costs, although prescription costs are set, will get passed on somehow. Costs may go up with prescriptions, other services be cut, drugs become too expensive to buy and lives made more miserable etc etc.
 
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Brigadier said:
Stop avoiding the question (a line you use, from time to time (y))



No such thing; I just asked you a genuine question, which you are incapable / frightened of answering.
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Your question is based on a false premise.

"What is to stop the government from paying more for the drugs (as per the US' request) anyway? (By some other arrangement than a trade deal trade-off, which would be prohibited by dint of membership of the EU?)

The premise being the EU will stop the UK from paying more for drugs. This is a Brexxer fantasy that the EU controls the UK on everything it seems ergo taking back control.

1999 Labour set up NICE to determine the cost effectiveness of drugs. The US want to dismantle the safeguards that protect the NHS from paying high prices for drugs.
 
Lower said:
Yes, because its another demonstration of why Corbyn and his cronies are a danger to this country and its people.
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Rubbish. Brexit is a far greater danger to this country economy, what is the link between anti-semitism and the economy? :confused:
 
Ihavenojob said:
The reason they are expensive in the US is that you are paying retail for them, over here prescription drugs are the cost ( to the user)of a prescription on the NHS, what's that 5 or 6 quid ? If you use a private health insurance like BUPA they will be charged the going rate for drugs.
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You can buy the same drugs retail in the UK cheaper. You have no idea how drugs are priced in the UK. Do some reading once in your life, DM, Sun etc do not count.
 
SirGalahad said:
Your question is based on a false premise.

"What is to stop the government from paying more for the drugs (as per the US' request) anyway? (By some other arrangement than a trade deal trade-off, which would be prohibited by dint of membership of the EU?)

The premise being the EU will stop the UK from paying more for drugs. This is a Brexxer fantasy that the EU controls the UK on everything it seems ergo taking back control.

1999 Labour set up NICE to determine the cost effectiveness of drugs. The US want to dismantle the safeguards that protect the NHS from paying high prices for drugs.
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Why didn't you just say that in the first place then?
Oh, and thanks for answering:)
 
SirGalahad said:
Your question is based on a false premise.

"What is to stop the government from paying more for the drugs (as per the US' request) anyway? (By some other arrangement than a trade deal trade-off, which would be prohibited by dint of membership of the EU?)

The premise being the EU will stop the UK from paying more for drugs. This is a Brexxer fantasy that the EU controls the UK on everything it seems ergo taking back control.

1999 Labour set up NICE to determine the cost effectiveness of drugs. The US want to dismantle the safeguards that protect the NHS from paying high prices for drugs.
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Why haven't we made a deal before for the cheapest drugs we can get outside the eu ?
 
Ihavenojob said:
Why haven't we made a deal before for the cheapest drugs we can get outside the eu ?
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We buy drugs from all over the world, including the US. Whilst drugs are IP protected you can often only buy them from the company that developed them.

Generic or out of IP protected drugs we buy from whoever is the most cost effective supplier. There is no obligation to buy from the EU.
 
SirGalahad said:
Rubbish. Brexit is a far greater danger to this country economy, what is the link between anti-semitism and the economy? :confused:
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Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party are the link between anti-semitism and a crashed economy.
 
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