Who/what imposes such a "requirement" ?
I have installed many bathroom extractor fans in my time, and I know, or know of, countless other people who have done likewise, but I've never heard of anyone "going on a course" to teach them how to do it
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I have installed many bathroom extractor fans in my time, and I know, or know of, countless other people who have done likewise, but I've never heard of anyone "going on a course" to teach them how to do it
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Really that much money to fit a fan?
I know what my reaction would be, simple, sorry I don't do extractor fans, find someone else, which will mean more mould as no one will do the work to reduce it. Let the heating and ventilation engineer do that job.
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If you were cynical, it may be seen as some are using an interpretation of the Part F guidance, to enable money to be made from training sessions, an increasing number of building control applications and professional registration requirements.
Otherwise, it could be seen as a way to encourage installers to properly design and commision ventilation systems.
And why this has blown up now, after the amendment has been enacted since
June 22, I have no idea!
I did, but as I've just observed in that thread, you appear to be only talking about guidance in n 'Approved Document', not regulations, requirements or law.
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Please explain that requirement Eric . I had no idea it was a requirement to sit a course when I fitted fans in bathrooms. The only courses I took in line with any requirements on anything to do with any building regs was C & G wiring regs (BS 7671) and Inspection Test and Certifiation to BS 7671 Which both stood me in good stead to be in the Electrical Competant Person Scheme, no one asked about Part F related qualifications or indeed any other part of the building regs either, part F and part M were mentioned on my assessment and probably a few more too but no qualications such as courses sat or certificates gained were asked for. Just a gen requirement to be aware of some parts of the building regs and how they might relate to Part P really. In fact I did have a slight disagreement with one assessor about Part P when he asked me what comes under Part P and I answered “ all electrical works in properties defined as domestic under part P “ he was actually referring to which works was actually notifiable under part p and he was confusing them in his catogary so to speak. I explained that my answer was correct all domestic electrical work of fixed wiring, however some was notifiable and some was not and it varied slightly between England and Wales (and the latest update)
I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer!
You may have missed this thread...
Really that much money to fit a fan?
I know what my reaction would be, simple, sorry I don't do extractor fans, find someone else, which will mean more mould as no one will do the work to reduce it. Let the heating and ventilation engineer do that job.
... and, in turn, I refer another honorable gentleman 9probably several!) to the fact that we have agreed that that is not a 'requirement', merely guidance.
Yes, again agreed.
However, did you read the email response in the other thread, that I had from Envirovent (sorry, it's a poor screen capture from my phone)?
They (and indirectly the NICEIC) are stating that the installation of a single extractor fan is notifiable work.
This is being publicised through the electricians news channels.
This may be difficult to ignore for electricians, and householders who could start asking for the electricians accreditation.
And from their reply, Envirovent aren't backing down on this - even though their reply seems to be based on a specific interpretation of the part F 'guidance', definitions that aren't in the document, and some flimsy quotations from the 'secretary of states intention'.
But what can we actually do?
Envirovent et al, will continue to promote this view (and their courses), do we ask for clarification of part F, or just ignore it as there are no actual requirements?
Are you both thinking that this company and NICEIC are taking advantage of the wording of the regulation and making out that an extractor fan is a 'mechanical ventilation system'?
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According to several sites I have just looked at, it is.
Do you mean it is them taking advantage or it is a mechanical ventilation system?
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Pardon my naivety, but in what sense is an extractor not a "mechanical ventilation system"?
Well - it's not a system, is it?
See Part F above.
See Part F above.
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The latter.
It's still nebulous to me.
If we ignore the issue that approved document part F is purely 'guidance' - the issue comes down to whether the installation is notifiable.
For it not to be notifiable, It must come under minor works...
I see there is enough wiggle room here to fit an extractor fan, but Envirovent don't.
If we ignore the issue that approved document part F is purely 'guidance' - the issue comes down to whether the installation is notifiable.
For it not to be notifiable, It must come under minor works...
I see there is enough wiggle room here to fit an extractor fan, but Envirovent don't.
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