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[Roy Bloom]

Have Hamas released any demands to release these fictitious "thousands held by Israel"

If you could post a link to their demands that would be most helpful

You'll dismiss it as not evidence, because it doesn't suit your narrative, or because you simply don't like it.

A number of hostages were taken back to Gaza. On 16 October, Hamas claimed it held 250 hostages. Hamas said it took prisoners to force Israel to release its Palestinian prisoners

Operation Al-Aqsa Flood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A reminder that Israel holds about 5,000 Palestinian hostages, and has done for many years.

 

[Vinty]

Hamas has a choice, it could recognise Israel as a state and it could allow Palestinians to peacefully negotiate a 2 party state

There won't be a 2 party state.
Israel doesn't want that to happen.
A key demand of the Palestinians is the return of millions of Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Israel will never agree to that.

 

[SirGalahad]

Only solution which keeps being rejected is a two state on 1967 borders.

A better solution is a three state solution on 1967 borders, Israel, Gaza, West Bank - that would be fair on all sides.

Then place UN to patrol the borders

 

[Odds]

About 10,000 people marched in the streets of the US capital [and] 500 people have been arrested during a sit-in at the United States Congress in Washington, DC, where they protested against “Israel’s ongoing oppression of Palestinians”, according to Jewish Voice for Peace, the group that organised the demonstration.

The protesters, many wearing shirts emblazoned with the words “Not in our name”, were surrounded by police on Wednesday as they sat on the floor of the lobby of the congressional building, unfurling a large banner that said “ceasefire” as the death toll from Israel’s bombardment of the besieged Gaza Strip rises.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Only solution which keeps being rejected is a two state on 1967 borders.

A better solution is a three state solution on 1967 borders, Israel, Gaza, West Bank - that would be fair on all sides.

Then place UN to patrol the borders

And the only option ( in the three state solution) to achieve freedom of movement and association for Palestinians in both territories is to fly between the two?
Or travel into Jordan, croos the Red Sea, across the Sinai desert in Egypt, to access Gaza, or vice versa?
Or they could go to Jordan then Syria, then Lebanon and catch a boat to Gaza?
Palestine territories need to be contiguous, and it needs a port, and a border with other countries.
That is the demand of Palestinians when they say from the river to the sea, i.e. a line across the Levant¹, Israel to the North and Palestine to the South, (or vice versa).

The phrase "from the river to the sea" has been corrupted by US and UK {and Israel obviously) to mean that Hamas wants the removal of all Israelis from the Levant.
That is misinformation.


¹The Levant covers Israel, Gaza, West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.
I'm referring only to those areas covered by Israel, Gaza and West Bank.

 

[Vinty]

Only solution which keeps being rejected is a two state on 1967 borders.

A better solution is a three state solution on 1967 borders, Israel, Gaza, West Bank - that would be fair on all sides.

Then place UN to patrol the borders

What happens to the millions of Palestinians in refugee camps around the middle east.
Should they be allowed the right of return?

 

[SirGalahad]

And the only option ( in the three state solution) to achieve freedom of movement and association for Palestinians in both territories is to fly between the two?
Or travel into Jordan, croos the Red Sea, across the Sinai desert in Egypt, to access Gaza, or vice versa?
Or they could go to Jordan then Syria, then Lebanon and catch a boat to Gaza?
Palestine territories need to be contiguous, and it needs a port, and a border with other countries.
That is the demand of Palestinians when they say from the river to the sea, i.e. a line across the Levant¹, Israel to the North and Palestine to the South, (or vice versa).

The phrase "from the river to the sea" has been corrupted by US and UK {and Israel obviously) to mean that Hamas wants the removal of all Israelis from the Levant.
That is misinformation.


¹The Levant covers Israel, Gaza, West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.
I'm referring only to those areas covered by Israel, Gaza and West Bank.

They become two separate countries - if you want them to be connected then there needs to be a controlled road corridor between both.

Israel will not accept to being cut in two.

 

[SirGalahad]

What happens to the millions of Palestinians in refugee camps around the middle east.
Should they be allowed the right of return?

That ship has sailed, these injustices are baked in - we can all hope for the ideal solution but the reality is there will be no right of return.

 

[Roy Bloom]

They become two separate countries - if you want them to be connected then there needs to be a controlled road corridor between both.

Israel will not accept to being cut in two.

So the three party state is a no-goer.

 

[Roy Bloom]

That ship has sailed, these injustices are baked in - we can all hope for the ideal solution but the reality is there will be no right of return.

But but but ......Israelis were allowed to return (under a UN mandate) after centuries of no Israel presence in the Levant.
But Palestinians are to have no such right of return, after being evicted by Israel?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Another option is for a free co-habiting of both Israelis and Palestinians in Gaza, West Bank and Israel.
But Israel have proven that they are incapable of governing such a territory on an equitable basis. (they have corralled Palestininas in two enclaves)
And on that assumption, any kind oif power sharing would also fall due to mutual acrimony.

 

[Notch7]

Your example provided 1000's of employment opportunities. So for you to claim it was not embedded in the civilian infrastructure is invalid and nonsensical. What is more, Israel frequently destroys that facility, within and outside of specific conflict periods.
And you still can't or won't explian why.
It is you that needs to apologise and admit you were wrong.

Where is your evidence Israel frequently destroyed that Facility?

Israel has never destroyed it

 

[securespark]

Start with a French apology for starters

( scoundrels)

They make some stonking cheeses.

 

[Koolpc]

 

[festive]

Can i just add i do not in any way support Rishi's comments "We want Israel to win'

Not for me thanks.

I want peace to prevail and the suffering on both sides to stop immediately, there will never be a solution until a fair peace solution for both sides is on the table.