Israel under attack

[Roy Bloom]

Every version I have posted says the same thing. Exactly.

As far as I can see, you have only presented from one source.
That'll be why they're all the same.

An archived page of the actual Hamas website has the same document. You can reach it live, now, if you use a vpn.

Read what you've just posted.
And remember what I've already posted three times.

Middle East Eye (MEE) is a London-based news website
MEE is edited by David Hearst, a former foreign leader writer for the British daily, The Guardian

Cyberattack​

In April 2020, MEE was one of 20 websites targeted by hackers that cybersecurity experts, ESET, have linked to an Israeli surveillance company called Candiru. The website was impacted using a Watering hole attack which serves malicious code to certain visitors allowing the attackers to compromise their PCs.

I'm happy to accept that it is genuine. I don't care if you accept it or not, but it does seem strange that you argue for them without being sure what they actually stand for.

As I've just said:

As best as we can glean from the available sources at out disposal, and from our own personal experience, and from historical ocurences, and from reliable reporting, and from what we can consider to be logically possible and what is logically impossible, and from our own moral compass.

How do you construct your world view?

Are you not reading my comments?
Just blasting away with your own comments?
Slow down and deal with one issue at a time instead of trying to inundate me with your posts.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You supporting terrorism and supporting the notion that 'the Israeli's had it coming' is hardly a lie is it?. It's a statement of fact.

Then present the evidence.
Oh I forgot, the dog ate your homework.
In which case it's not a statement of fact. it's a fuzzy and incorrect recollection of yours.

 

[Vinty]

That ship has sailed, these injustices are baked in - we can all hope for the ideal solution but the reality is there will be no right of return.

Then there is no Palestinian state.
How can you have a Palestinian state without Palestinians.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Are you not reading my comments?
Just blasting away with your own comments?

I do think you're not reading what I'm saying:

if you look at the 2017 charter, you will see that Palestine is very happy to co-exist with the Israelis, except they won't recognise them as Israelis, because they refuse to recognise the state of Israel, but they welcome Jews in co-existence.

They also resist what they call the Zionists who want to eradicate Palestinians.

And in contrast, Israel will co-exist with Palestinans, except they'll legally operate apartheid.

All thanks to the UK and Balfour and the UN for failing miserably to enforce sufficent rules in separating Palestine and failing to sufficiently consider the Palestinians.
It's been well and truly left to the individual factions to fight it out among themselves.

My comments are based on the best we can ascertain is the 2017 Hamas Charter.

 

[denso13]

As far as I can see you have only linked to one source.
Can you repost this Wikipedia one?

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

citation 341 at the bottom takes you to

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

 

[fillyboy]

Then present the evidence.
Oh I forgot, the dog ate your homework.
In which case it's not a statement of fact. it's a fuzzy and incorrect recollection of yours.

It's on the thread that was deleted because of your madness. Just because it was deleted doesn't mean you didn't say it.

You literally did say that the Israelis deserved it, sailing very close to the wind legally which is probably why you took steps to have the thread deleted, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. I believe your comments about 'forum etiquette' were on the same thread which you also deny.

You really do have a problem and you really should seek help, I mean that in a kind way.

 

[denso13]

My comments are based on the best we can ascertain is the 2017 Hamas Charter.

Which is where we started, and you questioned whether it was genuine. It is contradictory.

From the 2017 charter, which I believe is genuine,

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

The Palestinian Political System:

27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It's on the thread that was deleted because of your madness. Just because it was deleted doesn't mean you didn't say it.

Yeah, and the dog ate your homework.

 

[transam]

That Hamas have dug hundreds of miles (?) of tunnels under Gaza ??

Things have no doubt moved on with the tech ?

But the American army never really got to grips with the tunnel system the Vietnamese dug and used to great effect ? In that war ??

 

[Roy Bloom]

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

citation 341 at the bottom takes you to

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Slow down, stop trying to bombard me with multiple posts at the same time. it just gets us both dealing with different issues, and creates an impossible situation for any reader to follow.

Dealing with your earlier post first:
You first link is a US intelligence document parading as a Hamas Media Office. Such is the risk and extent of misinformation. It can not only dismissed, it should be condemned.

The second link to Wikipedia, barely touches on the 2017 Charter, and as you say refers to the Middle East Eye.
Which is exactly the same as your third link.
So as I said, you have presented two versions of the same website. That's why they're both the same.
You have not presented two different sources of your information. That's why they're the same.
Middle East Eye a London based website operated by English reporters, and as such is subject to the limitations of the UK reporting restrictions.

 

[Notch7]

It's on the thread that was deleted because of your madness. Just because it was deleted doesn't mean you didn't say it.

You literally did say that the Israelis deserved it, sailing very close to the wind legally which is probably why you took steps to have the thread deleted, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. I believe your comments about 'forum etiquette' were on the same thread which you also deny.

You really do have a problem and you really should seek help, I mean that in a kind way.

Himmie will never admit it, he never does

 

[fillyboy]

Middle East Eye a London based website operated by English reporters, and as such is subject to the limitations of the UK reporting restrictions.

That's reproduced the full 42 point 2017 charter in full.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Which is where we started, and you questioned whether it was genuine. It is contradictory.

From the 2017 charter, which I believe is genuine,

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

The Palestinian Political System:

27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.

You really didn't read my earlier comments did you?
No wonder you can bombard me with comments, it's not a discussion, it's just you blasting away with your comments.
Read what I wrote hours ago, and have repeatedi it since:

..., if you look at the 2017 charter, you will see that Palestine is very happy to co-exist with the Israelis, except they won't recognise them as Israelis, because they refuse to recognise the state of Israel, but they welcome Jews in co-existence.

They also resist what they call the Zionists who want to eradicate Palestinians.

And in contrast, Israel will co-exist with Palestinans, except they'll legally operate apartheid.

All thanks to the UK and Balfour and the UN for failing miserably to enforce sufficent rules in separating Palestine and failing to sufficiently consider the Palestinians.
It's been well and truly left to the individual factions to fight it out among themselves.

Palestinians are quite correct, back in 1947, the UN approved a resolution that would now be considered as a war crime, i.e the forced relocation of a whole indigenous population.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Himmie will never admit it, he never does

I don't need to admit to fillyboy's fantasy.
I'd hate to think where it could lead to.
And it was his fantasy.

 

[fillyboy]

Himmie will never admit it, he never does

We witnessed that first hand last night.