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I see the thread has deteriorated into an abuse fest.
Some on here are even advocating genocide.
Have the mods abdicated their responsibility?

Most (including Rishi and Suella) can't differentiate between calls for a ceasefire, and support for Hamas.
How anyone with any brains can describe a march for a ceasefire, as a Hate March is beyond belief.

Because it’s not a march for a ceasefire, it’s a Hamas support march.

chanting ‘jihad’ and ‘from the river to the sea’ is not a call for a ceasefire.

 

[Notch7]

Most (including Rishi and Suella) can't differentiate between calls for a ceasefire, and support for Hamas

they arent saying that

thats your dishonest interpretation

 

[Notch7]

What does the future hold?

One thing is obvious, when the fighting stops it will be a new chapter for Gaza and the West Bank. Its quite likely boundaries will change…in favour of Israel

I would like to think International pressure might lead to restarting negotiations….but don’t hold out much hope

 

[motorbiking]

IDF knows, they have 75 years of experience, Hamas only has 1 day worth of experience.

There is a world of difference between setting out to invade and kill as many civilians as possibly one by one including torturing and kidnapping them, indiscriminately and air strikes and artillery in to Hamas positions which include civilian collateral.

Its all about your intentions, not just the results.

 

[Odds]

There is a world of difference between setting out to invade and kill as many civilians as possibly one by one including torturing and kidnapping them, indiscriminately and air strikes and artillery in to Hamas positions which include civilian collateral.

Its all about your intentions, not just the results.

Over 300 soldiers were also killed during the assault by Hamas. People seem to be forgetting that.

 

[motorbiking]

If I threw a shovel of ballast at a cement mixer and 80% went in the mixer, you'd agree that my intention was to get the shovelful in to the mixer - no?

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Both sides have committed atrocities, Just leave it there.

There is no lesser of two evils here.

 

[Roy Bloom]

they arent saying that

thats your dishonest interpretation

Don't deny the obvious, Notch.
It's dishonest.
It's doubly dishonest to accuse someone of telling the truth.
But for someone who defends racism and makes racist jokes, I guess it's to be expected.

Ms Braverman said there was an "obvious risk of serious public disorder, violence and damage" if a protest on 11 November goes ahead, describing it as a "hate march through London".

Planned protest on Armistice Day would be disrespectful, says Sunak

Rishi Sunak says there is a risk war memorials such as the Cenotaph in London could be "desecrated".

www.bbc.com

Home secretary Suella Braverman claimed it was unacceptable to “desecrate” the day with a “hate march” through London.

PM’s crackdown on ‘disrespectful’ pro-Palestine rally at Cenotaph

Dramatic intervention by London mayor Sadiq Khan who accuses Tories of playing politics over Middle East tragedy

www.independent.co.uk

Suella Braverman backed her boss, saying it was "entirely unacceptable to desecrate Armistice Day with a hate march through London".

Met Police signals crackdown as Rishi Sunak brands pro-Palestinian protest on Armistice Day 'disrespectful'

The force says social media will be key to acting fast to arrest lawbreakers among the crowds.

news.sky.com

 

[denso13]

There is no lesser of two evils here.

Au contraire, only one side wants to eliminate the other. Until Hamas change their stance nothing will change.

 

[Roy Bloom]

There is a world of difference between setting out to invade and kill as many civilians as possibly one by one including torturing and kidnapping them, indiscriminately and air strikes and artillery in to Hamas positions which include civilian collateral.

Its all about your intentions, not just the results.

Israel has been killing civilian for decades.
It just hasn't made the news in the way that the 7th did.

The figures below represent the number of Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict. The large number of civilian casualties has required various types of interventions by humanitarian actors, with many incidents raising concerns over violation of international law and lack of accountability.

Data on casualties | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory

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www.ochaopt.org

Palestinians killed outside of specific conflict times - 6,540

Israelis killed outside of specific conflict times - 309

 

[Roy Bloom]

If I threw a shovel of ballast at a cement mixer and 80% went in the mixer, you'd agree that my intention was to get the shovelful in to the mixer - no?

Approximate 60% of the civilian casualties in Gaza have been women and children.
There's no suggestion that the other 40% were Hamas, Some of them were doctors, nurses and ambulance drivers, even UN workers and press.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Au contraire, only one side wants to eliminate the other. Until Hamas change their stance nothing will change.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Notch7]

Approximate 60% of the civilian casualties in Gaza have been women and children.
There's no suggestion that the other 40% were Hamas, Some of them were doctors, nurses and ambulance drivers, even UN workers and press.

100% of the people killed on Oct 7th were Israeli civilians

 

[Notch7]

Approximate 60% of the civilian casualties in Gaza have been women and children.
There's no suggestion that the other 40% were Hamas, Some of them were doctors, nurses and ambulance drivers, even UN workers and press.

If Hamas had released hostages that wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Roy Bloom]

100% of the people killed on Oct 7th were Israeli civilians

That's dishonest.
Maybe you didn't see the bit about Israeli soldiers killed.
Also several hundred Hamas fighters were killed. None of them captured.