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[Roy Bloom]

Hamas is a terrorist organisation

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organisation for their armed struggle against their oppressors.
It's very clear that some countries can declare an organisation as a terrorist organisation for their own reasons and purposes.
There have been several examples in history, eg. indigenous South African struggle against white SA apartheid, Chechnya's struggle against Russia (in this case the label terrorism has switched from Russia to Chechnya and back again),

The label is a political stance with political consequences, but it will have legal implications too.

What’s in the label of ‘terrorist state’? Everything.

Labels are important. For too long, the Western world preferred to ignore Russia’s crimes at home and abroad and look the other way. But no more. Last week, when the European Parliament labelled the Russian Federation as a state which uses terrorist m...

www.eppgroup.eu

Labeling Terrorism:
Anecdotally, violent events in the media are more often labeled terrorism when the perpetrator is Muslim.
Findings show that attacks with Muslim perpetrators were more likely to be labeled terrorism, and the terrorism label is correlated with support for policies negatively affecting Muslims.

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1004&context=communication_hontheses

Stop trying to dishonestly claim Hamas arent terrorists, just incorrectly designated as terrorists

I have never claimed that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. That's a deliberate lie of yours. You're very fond of your deliberate lies.
I have consistently discussed the labelling of Hamas as a terror organisation by the West, and the reasons for it.

 

[Notch7]

I have never claimed that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation

Do you accept that Hamas is a terrorist organisation because it commits terror

 

[Notch7]

I have consistently discussed the labelling of Hamas as a terror organisation by the West, and the reasons for it.

So you don’t think they should be called a terrorist organisation

Therefore you don’t think Hamas are terrorists

Thank you for admitting you support Hamas and their actions

 

[Roy Bloom]

its the ruling powers of Israel, not Israel the country or its citizens

You stated earlier that Israel is a democracy. And I agreed. Therefore the Israeli government is the country, and is the repesentative of its people.
Of course not all of its citizems agree with the government policies. that's the same in all countries. As in all countries some will vehemently disagree with the government.

and the conflict is very much Hamas and it’s foreign influencers / funders.

That will explain the continued war with the Palestinians in the West Bank, its continuing occupation of the West Bank, and its continuing expansion of settlements?
You need to see the bigger picture.

it’s Hamas that refuse to recognise Israel as a state and refuse to consider a 2 state system, not all Palestinians

Hamas refused the US version of a two state solution.
And of courese US will have presented a fair and equitable settelement.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Get real for goodness sake...

You think I'm making it up?

More than 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis have been killed so far this year in the occupied West Bank and Israel – a level of violence surpassing last year’s entire death toll and the highest number of fatalities since 2005, the United Nations Middle East envoy has said.

More than 200 Palestinians, nearly 30 Israelis killed so far this year: UN

UN Middle East envoy Tor Wennesland says deaths from violence so far this year are the highest recorded since 2005.

www.aljazeera.com

And that's in the West Bank alone, a country which Notch7 thinks isn't at war with Israel.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Put it on ignore now!

That's very kind.
Ignore the information which you think shouldn't exist.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Do you sleep with you hamas flag wrapped around you at night?

Don't be ridiclous, unless it gives you some comfort.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Do you accept that Hamas is a terrorist organisation because it commits terror

The labelling of organisations as terrorist is a political act.
During WWII French resistance fighters would have been designated as a terrorist organisation.
UK and others called them Resistance.
Can you accept that the labelling of an organisation as a terrorist organisation is a political action, designed to sway public opinion, and bears no resemblance to reality?

Labeling Terrorism
Many violent events are labeled “terrorism” by the media, but there is no definite agreement as to what characteristics of an attack render it terrorism.

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1004&context=communication_hontheses

The article goes on to suggest that a disputed version of what is terrorism can only be ascribed to non-state organisations. Now that's convenient.

Some obvious terrorist incidents were not described as teroriism because it fitted the racist attitudes at that time, e.g,.

Some events fit the definition of terrorism, but they are not labeled terrorism (Lemieux,2014; Nagar, 2010) For example, the perpetrator of the June 2015 shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, in which African Americans were shot in a church, admitted that his actions were politically-aimed and meant to spread fear in the community. Though both are distinct qualities of terrorism, the perpetrator was not charged with terrorism

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1004&context=communication_hontheses

I will repeat: the labelling of an organisation as a terrorist organisation is a political action, designed to sway public opinion, and bears no resemblance to reality.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So you don’t think they should be called a terrorist organisation

Therefore you don’t think Hamas are terrorists

Thank you for admitting you support Hamas and their actions

If you don't like the answers, don't keep asking the same question repeatedly.
Because I discuss the labelling of organisations as terrorists does not suggest, state, nor imply that I support terrorism.
You're making dishonest allegations again, and as usual.
If you can't refrain from making dishonest allegations when discussing senstive issues, perhaps you shouldn't participate at all.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Just as a thought:
If UK was to alter its support for Israel, and perhaps take a more non-partisan approach, it may have to admit that its foreign policy towards the Middle East from about 1000 AD to about 1500 AD was fundamentally wrong, and perhaps Britain would then be seen as an invader, or even a terrorist organisation.

 

[Notch7]

During WWII French resistance fighters would have been designated as a terrorist organisation

They were fighting German soldiers not civilians

 

[Notch7]

and bears no resemblance to reality

So you are claiming Hamas have committed no acts of terror and shouldn’t be labelled as terrorists.

Im glad we sorted that out, we know exactly what you stand for

 

[Roy Bloom]

They were fighting German soldiers not civilians

Usually, but not always:

... the Resistance took its revenge on collaborators who were often beaten or killed in extrajudicial executions.

Did the French Resistance kill civilians?

During the second world war, did the French Resistance kill civilian or paramilitary targets? And if so, how often did this happen? Additionally, were there any murders of collaborators after the...

history.stackexchange.com

And Israel is targetting Palestinian civilians, as it has done for decades.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So you are claiming Hamas have committed no acts of terror and shouldn’t be labelled as terrorists.

You're imagnation is overactive again.
In fact, I'd say it's bordering on the delusional.

 

[Notch7]

You're imagnation is overactive again.
In fact, I'd say it's bordering on the delusional.

Have Hamas committed acts of terror in your opinion?