Just wrong

[oilman]

The definition of a "public place" was of concern to your Lordships. Therefore, I have taken extensive advice on it. A public place means any premises or place to which, at the material time, the public or any section of it have access, on payment or otherwise, as of right or by virtue of express or implied permission.

Lords, Hansard 3 Apr 2004 : Column 550.

That appears to be for the purpose of defining the jurisdiction of the particular tobacco legislation. I doubt it has the effect of defining all those places as public in the sense they are publicly owned. Breezers point of the bar owner sueing you seems valid as it is a place which is owned by an individual or possibly a company. It is not a public place in the sense a public authority has responsibility for what happens inside it.

 

[Big_Spark]

As far as I am aware the legal definition of a public place is that to which the public has free and unfettered access, and the expanded definition includes business premises that allow the public free access in order to undertake their business..such as pubs, shops, shopping centres and car parks.

Sports Stadia, clubs, Night Clubs and similar venues are not public as entrance is restricted by management and the public cannot simply walk in off the street, even though they may be granted access by management is certain conditions are met.

 

[gcol]

So if a pub (short for public) isn't a public place, could you carry a knife in a pub then (with the owners permission)? As we all know it's against the law to carry a knife in a public place unless you use it for your business (like a chef).

 

[Nige F]

well at least it looks like a non smoking bar

 

[Steve]

It is an offence to allow children under the age of 16, who are not accompanied by an adult, to be present on premises used exclusively or primarily for the sale of alcohol for consumption on those premises, when they are open.

However, the following should be noted:
The law does not prevent the admission of unaccompanied children under 16 to certain restaurants or casinos where the consumption of alcohol is secondary to activities such as dining, provided that unaccompanied children are not present after midnight.
No offence is committed if the unaccompanied child is on the premises solely for the purpose of going to or from another place, to or from which there is no other convenient route.

In order to encourage a family friendly environment in licensed premises, the law contains no general prohibition on the admission of children, other than those outlined above.

I have the book if anyone has any licencing questions

 

[Big_Spark]

So if a pub (short for public) isn't a public place, could you carry a knife in a pub then (with the owners permission)? As we all know it's against the law to carry a knife in a public place unless you use it for your business (like a chef).

A PUB is a PUBLIC Place so it would be illegal..anyway you would have to transport it to the pub..

Pubs are still public places even if they charge an entrance fee.....

 

[Steve]

So if a pub (short for public) isn't a public place, could you carry a knife in a pub then (with the owners permission)? As we all know it's against the law to carry a knife in a public place unless you use it for your business (like a chef).

I have often pondered this (slightly off topic): How does one legally carry home the new shiny butchers knife you just purchased at Wilkinsons???

 

[oilman]

You wrap the blade in something that's difficult to remove in a hurry. Cardboard and sellotape for example. However, if you stop for a joint with a bunch of hoodies in an alleyway on the way home, I bet you get nicked.

 

[Big_Spark]

The Government are planning to introduce new regulations to cover this problem.

If you buy any Knife from April 1st 2006 you will need to use a credit card to make the purchase, produce one photo-ID and one proof of address, then you have to wait 21 days for MI5 to security Vet you and a further 56 days in case you change your mind about the purchase. After this time has expired they will get the SAS to deliver the knife to your home.

However, this service is not free, you must pay for the MI5 Vetting..cost £1250.99

Delivery by SAS costs £599.99 for standard delivery, but if you require express (Helicopter Abseil Delivery) then it rises to £10,128.82.

All charges are VAT exempt as the Government feels adding VAT would add an undue financial burdan on the Public.

Incidently, the costs above are PER KNIFE..so if you buy a boxed set the cost could be up to £100,000 per set!!

There you go, problem solved.

 

[Thermo]

in terms of criminality the quote from lord hansard is correct and is applied to most situations with regard criminal and motoring offences, so yes if you carried a knife in there it would still be classed a s a public place despite the fact it was privatly owned if that makes sense

 

[gcol]

As far as I'm concerned, if you can just walk in from the street (a public place) into an establishment (without vetting) then the establishment is classed as a public place.
I wouldn't feel in the least bit worried about taking a photo in a "proper" public place or indeed in a "public house". Nor do I feel that any judge in the land would prosecute you for doing so.
Just my opnion,
Cheers,
Gcol

 

[oilman]

............ Nor do I feel that any judge in the land would prosecute you for doing so.
...........

You are quite right he wouldn't, he just passes sentence.

 

[gcol]

oooooooooookay

 

[Richardp]

my god! what is that baby doing in there? it looks like a wine bar, if that was my baby I'd cut off their pocket money until they found a proper pub to go to.

 

[confidentincompetent]

Maybe they were mainland europeans! Some places it's normal for kids to go into bars with parents (training lol). Or maybe they are getting into the spirit of this new 24 hr Cafe society