Justice.... I fear not.

[EdwardCurrent]

How can 11 yrs be the correct sentence for this 'freak' ?? .

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK..._Man_Raped_His_Own_Children_And_Grandchildren


I know how I would make him understand the damage he has done, hopefully his new 'buddies' will abuse him to a point where he takes his own, horrible, sick life.

 

[Softus]

11 years does seem incongruous, but I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that he's already 86 years old.

 

[Blasphemous]

11 years does seem incongruous, but I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that he's already 86 years old.

It does seem incongruous yes but it shouldn't matter how old he is Softus. I don't know the facts behind this case but based on the information given, the punishment seems woefully inadequate.

 

[Bilioustrumpstaine]

Where does it say he is 86?

 

[Softus]

It does seem incongruous yes but it shouldn't matter how old he is Softus. I don't know the facts behind this case but based on the information given, the punishment seems woefully inadequate.

I also don't know the facts, so we're just chewing the cud here.

I think age is a factor. I'm only guessing at the reasoning behind the sentence, but given that he's quite likely to die in prison it's pointless meting out the length of punishment that a 40 year old might receive.

 

[Blasphemous]

It does seem incongruous yes but it shouldn't matter how old he is Softus. I don't know the facts behind this case but based on the information given, the punishment seems woefully inadequate.

I also don't know the facts, so we're just chewing the cud here.

I think age is a factor. I'm only guessing at the reasoning behind the sentence, but given that he's quite likely to die in prison it's pointless meting out the length of punishment that a 40 year old might receive.

I hear ya Softus but I still think the sentence should fit the crime not the age of the perpetrator. Anyway, 11 years, 100 years, I agree, he'll probably die in there. Sooner the better, evil swine!

 

[Softus]

Many people will consider death to be too good for him.

However, without an understanding of his behaviour, the chance of preventing it from arising in other people is limited, and for that reason I would like him to live as long as possible, in order to contemplate his crimes, and to provide an opportunity, however slim that might be, to rescind his denial and instead provide some kind of an explanation.

 

[toptec]

Many people will consider death to be too good for him.

However, without an understanding of his behaviour, the chance of preventing it from arising in other people is limited, and for that reason I would like him to live as long as possible, in order to contemplate his crimes, and to provide an opportunity, however slim that might be, to rescind his denial and instead provide some kind of an explanation.

Interesting POV Softus. I see this from a different standpoint in that I consider child abusers have a defective gene already in them which is triggered by events at some point in their lives. Possibly their own suffering of abuse or contact with other abusers.

The few abusers I dealt with always pointed to such a trigger and this always formed the substantial part of their mitigation.

I also think age should not have any bearing on the sentence - the victims are already on a life sentence and a full term life sentence for the abuser would help with the victims closure. Imagine the pain that knowing that their rapes/sodomy were only worth part of a 11 year jail term causes them!

 

[ajstoneservices]

The few abusers I dealt with always pointed to such a trigger and this always formed the substantial part of their mitigation.

Well they would wouldn't they, I wonder if any of them say anything different.

A local Bobbie told me a few years back of the time they arrested a father for the rape of his daughter. He claimed he had the right to "have her before any man".

11 years whether he can do it or not, is simply not long enough.

 

[Softus]

Interesting POV Softus. I see this from a different standpoint in that I consider child abusers have a defective gene already in them which is triggered by events at some point in their lives. Possibly their own suffering of abuse or contact with other abusers.

IMHO all humans have that defective gene.

The few abusers I dealt with always pointed to such a trigger and this always formed the substantial part of their mitigation.

Whether or not a "trigger" is a substantive mitigation is for a experienced professional psychologist to determine, and perhaps you are one of those, but I note that abusers tend to deploy much cunning - they have to, in order to evade discovery. This leads them to adopt any mitigation that avoids having to face up to the harsh reality of their hideous crimes.

I also think age should not have any bearing on the sentence - the victims are already on a life sentence and a full term life sentence for the abuser would help with the victims closure. Imagine the pain that knowing that their rapes/sodomy were only worth part of a 11 year jail term causes them!

I would expect the victim(s) to have a detailed knowledge of the judge's reasoning behind the sentence, whereas we're relying on the lamentably poor reporting skills of the on-line tabloids.

There's a fine line between making age a factor in sentencing, and simply doing a bit of arithmetic and deciding that his 11-year sentence is likely to outlive him.

 

[toptec]

IMHO all humans have that defective gene.

Explain please?

mitigation is for a experienced professional psychologist to determine.

No. That is for the judge to consider in determining sentence. The Judge would consider Psychiatric reports though.

but I note that abusers tend to deploy much cunning.

Oh. how right you are. The most cunning and clever I ever came across.

I would expect the victim(s) to have a detailed knowledge of the judge's reasoning behind the sentence.

Rarely happens old chap. Victims want the offender jailed for as long as possible, in order to protect themselves and punish the offender. In this case though an average of 3 months for each count on the indictment, and especially as they are in the higher sphere of seriousness is laughable and will be of no comfort to the victims.

 

[NS215]

If the guy is likely to die in prison anyway then throw the life sentence at him then the victim will feel some justice

 

[Softus]

If the guy is likely to die in prison anyway then throw the life sentence at him then the victim will feel some justice

Your use of the word "If" implies that you would let age be a factor in his sentencing.