keeping keys with prox tags safe

[sandyman44]

if you do go for a lock operated by the front door key, consider a nightlatch-type lock that will lock shut on being slammed.
As long as you are sure you have an emergency key hidden away is a safe place somewhere.
A BS nightlatch with automatic deadlocking, on a substantial door, is quite good.
You might be able to reduce the size of some of your key bunches by having other locks suited or mastered.

are you able to give me any specific product pointers? all the small/inexpensive safes I can find after a few hours googling use locks that look nothing like a front door one? my front door is a modern upvc/composite multipoint lock with a typical single sided key.

 

[Europlex]

was trying to think like a burglar about how I would defeat my alarm.

Is the normal way.

 

[JohnD]

are you able to give me any specific product pointers? all the small/inexpensive safes I can find after a few hours googling use locks that look nothing like a front door one? my front door is a modern upvc/composite multipoint lock with a typical single sided key.

I would not expect to find a safe fitted with a Eurocylinder.

You mentioned a strong cupboard, so I pictured a wooden door where you could fit something like a Yale, but better.

You can get Eurocylinder nightlatches, but AFAIK they are all mortice locks, so it would work out a bit expensive. I remember seeing Eurocylinders and nightlatch cylinders sold as a matched pair, but to get a cylinder suited to your existing key you would have to consult a proper locksmith. I have suited keys (to save having to carry big bunches) and recently had a new lock assembled to match, and no doubt there are such people in your town or nearby who could do it.

here are some example nightlatches (they have the slam-to-lock feature which is quicker and easier than locking by key). Deadlock cases, that accept a Eurocylinder, are more common but I only remember seeing them as mortice locks.
https://www.locksonline.co.uk/Nightlatches.html

 

[sandyman44]

I would not expect to find a safe fitted with a Eurocylinder.

actually I think I've found one
https://www.timpson.co.uk/securikey-euro-vault-035-key-locking-safe.html

bolting that inside a hall cupboard that will easier than trying to diy something , will engage a pro locksmith to sort a cylinder to suit, probably get all the doors done to upgrade them to snap-proof and get a mastered suite whilst were at it.

 

[EightyTwo]

Seriously?!?!?!

Europlex is right. Firstly, it is very unlikely that you'll get burgled if you've got an alarm. Secondly, it is very unlikely that the burglar will find (or know how to use) your spare fobs. Thirdly, if he was looking for keys (for, say, the cars/bikes), he'd look in the keysafe - obviously!

A little cupboard or drawer would be less obvious than a key safe and would be easier for you to use.

Finally, if you got burgled, you'd be notified on your app. It wouldn't matter whether the burglar switched the alarm off or not.

 

[secureiam]

The prox tags are not for security purposes. Yes that's right they make a system less secure.
They are to stop false alarms from people forgetting there codes, that is all they are for really, hence why all monitored systems come with tags.

As for being burgled, there are lots of things to take into account, even with an alarm you may get burgled if the risk is considered worth it, its unlikely you would get burgled by a chancer if you have an alarm.

The issue revolves around your many sets of keys and you have prox tags on them all, personally if your system isn't monitored(paying for police response) I would take the prox tags off the alarm and use a code instead, leave the prox tags on your keys though.

If a burglar can see it they may take it, vehicles are certainly getting stolen to order at the minute, so bunches of keys all in one place that's easy to get makes it a target and probably worth while as I am guessing the vehicles aren't cheap rubbish??

A comment made earlier about changing codes or tags when something goes missing, by the time they realise its gone missing and get back to their property it could be too late, its not unheard of for people to get bags stolen, the car gets stolen they drove to the property with the sat nav set to drive home, pull up use the keys help themselves and drive off.

The problem with the likes of the enforcer, is most people have this on the entry route on a property, as the whole unit is together, the burglar has X number of seconds to disable it from getting in via the entry route, far better to have a remote keypad, on the entry route than the whole panel.

 

[Doggit]

I suspect you're looking at the problem the wrong way round. If you're system set up properly, and you're door locks are good quality, then unless they can get in by the entry/exit routes, the alarms are going to go off, and they're going to leg it.

Women tend to have their address in their handbag, so if this gets stolen, then they know where you live; but mens wallets tend to get stolen, not their keys, and if the keys and the car get stolen, and then make sure the satnav only has the postcode in it, not the house number, then they've got to work out which one of 6 to 10 houses to burgle, so it's got to be pretty well planned for them to do that, and they'd have targeted you're house and car to start with.

I think Secure's got the right idea when he says get rid of the tags, as trying to set up a keysafe lock is really trying to deal with the problem in the wrong way. You're choice though.

 

[secureiam]

You cant stop every burglar

 

[ibruceuk]

You could have a simple cupboard with a door contact on it that when open disables all the prox tags. Simple but effective, a thief would not likely work out that in a limited amount of time and could certainly be set up quite easy on a galaxy...

 

[secureiam]

you never know they could close the door, if they see the contact.