landlord certificate

[Alanmallam]

problem, when a boiler has been replaced does the land lord/plumber have to issue a new certificate ? or is the existing one ok , bearing in mind it doesn't show the name of the newly installed boiler. if you were to install a boiler on the second floor of a flat would you assume 15mm gas supply to be adequate ? any help this problem has been ongoing since sept 05 !thank's for any help. javascript:emoticon('')

 

[Paul Barker]

You don't need a landlord's certificate for a new boiler.

I would pipe size.

 

[doitall]

15mm is unlikely to be large enough for the gas.

Would be better if you said what the problem was.

 

[brentwoodheating]

What's the problem?
If the boiler was installed in Sept 05 it won't need a cert until Sept this year. If it was correctly commissioned then the working inlet pressure (overall pressure drop) has been checked- and therefor ok. The installer won't have commissioned it otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alanmallam]

thank's for your reply paul. when you say not needed for a new boiler,how do we know its been installed correctly or by acompetant person ? you would pipe size, does that mean work out what size would be required for the job? it now appears with this installation that the supply is to small for the boiler and i don't think it's going to be resolved before my son vacates this accomodation. thanks.

 

[Alanmallam]

the boiler has just been replaced march06 'cos the one that was in place didn't give hot water on demand . the landlord was informed in sept 05 about this and many other prob's. so the cert only shows the previous boiler
and the problem it had then .cheer's

 

[doitall]

What's the problem?
If the boiler was installed in Sept 05 it won't need a cert until Sept this year. If it was correctly commissioned then the working inlet pressure (overall pressure drop) has been checked- and therefor ok. The installer won't have commissioned it otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps it wasn't fitted by a Corgy

Lets have some more details, like the boiler make/model, the size and length of the gas pipe + and bends and whatever else is connected to it

 

[Paul Barker]

There should be a Benchmark Log completed by the installer.

It is unlikely that 15mm was sufficient, but I would have to be there to tell.

In my town to fit a combi in a top floor flat of all the huge Victorian houses would take 28mm pipework, unless people go for this and all the expense and inconvenience which it entails I won't fit the boiler. They still get fitted.


Gas Safety Installation and Use Regs 1998

Regulation 36 3 .. a landlord shall

(a) ensure that each appliance and flue to which that duty extends is checked for safety within 12 months of being installed...

Don't question us about it, write to the health and safety commission whose document it is.

 

[Agile]

I would take the view that a new certificate IS required UNLESS the boiler has been professionally installed by a CORGI AND the Benchmark Certificate has been completed.

Tony

 

[htgeng]

In my town to fit a combi in a top floor flat of all the huge Victorian houses would take 28mm pipework, unless people go for this and all the expense and inconvenience which it entails I won't fit the boiler. They still get fitted.
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I have also explained this point during surveys, but I imagine its ignored when they get the job done to a price. If you are running a new 25 metre effective gas supply for a 35kW combi, then
copper pipe + fittings = very expensive!

 

[Gasguru]

And the vast majority of higher output combis I find are installed on undersized gas pipework - so the customer is completely wasting their money buying the more powerful combi - it will never achieve its rated output.

 

[Paul Barker]

Yes I only fitted one Worcester 40kw so far and had a lot of trouble selling the 28mm pipe run to the customer, but in the end he appreciated it.

I have one to do later in June, this time I have ensured the boiler is right beside the gas meter, Great! There are a lot of other problems with the job, one being the extracation of a hiflow from under the kitchen bench floor having been tiled after boiler and kitchen fitted round it. Ho hum, wish me luck!

 

[Alanmallam]

evening one and all , thanks for the input on my question. the issue i raised is part of a bigger problem , which is still ongoing! health and safety not interested "i'm dealing with other issues like people dying of asphyxiation" (nice one mr moxon lets hope no student's life is ended in that fashion inthis landlord's accomodation) corgi said "no need for a new ticket because the previous installation was ok" .my problem is how do we know who installed this new boiler , are they competant ? ,and if any problems occur do we blame the guy whose name is on the present certificate ? enviromental people say "as far as i am aware all job's are now complete". pretty good answer i thought ! the problem appear's to be, the landlord is a VERY BIG player in the student accomodation market and nobody want's to upset him. i am a time-served sheetmetal worker who has work in worked in heavy industry,well what's left of it, for 30yrs, where if you ignore a problem, somebody gets hurt. cheers!

 

[Agile]

The "official" solution is for you to express your concerns in writing to the HSE and to CORGI.

You have then "covered your arse" and are then "clean".

A few more letters like that just MIGHT cause the HSE to realise there are many problems with unqualified people doing gas work and just having landlords certificates issued by others.

Tony

 

[doitall]

Send a letter to Lord Hunt.

Francis McGuigan (HSE) said:-

If anyone has good reason to believe that someone is :

Exposing people to risk ; or
Not carrying out their legal duties under health and safety law ;

then they should contact the HSE or local authority (if it enforces health and safety law for the workplace or activity) and make a complaint.

Health and Safety Executive.
Policy Group,
Cutting interventions Division,
Enforcement Policy Unit.
5th Floor North Wing,
Rose Court,
2 Southwark Bridge,
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SE1 9HS
EXT 6423 Tel 020 7717 6423. email francis.mcguigan@hse.gsi.gov.uk

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