Let's not be hard on tax crooks...

[transam]

Is not Labours HQ owned by some off shore company off shore for tax purposes

 

[SirGalahad]

Is not Labours HQ owned by some off shore company off shore for tax purposes

For a guy who doesn't vote you do know alot about the Tax treatment of the Labour Party HQ which you have mentioned more than once and you seem to fail to mention that HMRC offices are leased from an offhshore company as well.

So what point are you trying to make?

 

[transam]

For a guy who doesn't vote you do know alot about the Tax treatment of the Labour Party HQ which you have mentioned more than once and you seem to fail to mention that HMRC offices are leased from an offhshore company as well.

So what point are you trying to make?

tbh I do not see what voting has got to do with it or are u saying that only those who vote can voice an opinion

So HMRC are supporting tax avoidance as well then

 

[SirGalahad]

tbh I do not see what voting has got to do with it or are u saying that only those who vote can voice an opinion

So HMRC are supporting tax avoidance as well then

I find it a bit odd that you have strong opinions against Labour and Corbyn (which is perfectly acceptable and to a point understandable) but then there is a disconnect that you don't follow the conviction of your opinions by voting.

 

[transam]

I find it a bit odd that you have strong opinions against Labour and Corbyn (which is perfectly acceptable and to a point understandable) but then there is a disconnect that you don't follow the conviction of your opinions by voting.

of course I follow my convictions . I refuse to vote for any of em

Obviously u follow your conviction and vote Labour , probably a die hard , life long , come what may supporter of the party

who's vote can be guaranteed

The cult of Corbyn

 

[JohnD]

So what point are you trying to make?

transam sometimes has a bit of fun by pretending to be uneducated, of low intelligence, and unable to cope with spelling and grammar.

Who knows why he finds it funny to mock members of society with such difficulties.

His behaviour is shameful.

 

[SirGalahad]

of course I follow my convictions . I refuse to vote for any of em

Obviously u follow your conviction and vote Labour , probably a die hard , life long , come what may supporter of the party

who's vote can be guaranteed

The cult of Corbyn

Oh how you so wish for that to be true. I voted for Cameron twice and Blair twice. For a man who doesn't like labour, you might think saying you have never voted will bolster what others may think of your opinion but it's quite clear we can see through this rhetoric. Your statement that you haven't voted would have more weight if you were as critical of other parties as you are of labour. What's the big deal saying you voted Tory?

You will find that there are more die hard Torys out there (it's why they have won the last three elections).

I really don't understand the hate for Corbyn - if he's such a liability, shouldn't you be glad he is still the leader of the labour party which makes the life of the Tory party easier?

 

[transam]

Oh how you so wish for that to be true. I voted for Cameron twice and Blair twice. For a man who doesn't like labour, you might think saying you have never voted will bolster what others may think of your opinion but it's quite clear we can see through this rhetoric. Your statement that you haven't voted would have more weight if you were as critical of other parties as you are of labour. What's the big deal saying you voted Tory?

You will find that there are more die hard Torys out there (it's why they have won the last three elections).

I really don't understand the hate for Corbyn - if he's such a liability, shouldn't you be glad he is still the leader of the labour party which makes the life of the Tory party easier?

I never said that I have never voted Last time I voted it was for a fella called Neil Kinnock .

Hate ?? Er NO I do not hate him . I have never met the bloke I have never voted tory as to your opinion about that < I care not a jot

opinions are a bit like ***e holes we've all got one

Labour have more party members then any other political party in Europe.

What conclusion do I draw well er there are more dck eads in the labour party then the tory

 

[Notch7]

Do us a tremendous favour. Look up the most recent SDP manifesto you can find, and tell us what you think of its key policies.

Oh, Ive made JohnDs day, hes found a mistake.....

Do let me clear it up.....terribly sorry old bean I meant Lib Dem.

 

[noseall]

Oh, Ive made JohnDs day

Mine too.

 

[Notch7]

All fine points that can be debated but remind me again how was that quote or tweet by Corbyn relevant to the discussion about HMRC and tax cheats?

Any mention of socialism by definition has to involve economics because it is a form of control and ownership of production unless you see Socialism as something else? If so what?

Corbyns tweet is an insight into his ideology that overides any pragmatic politics. Corbyn clearly supports the ideology of socialism in Cuba but he conviently forgets the human right abuses and suppression because he doesnt see it.

Look at the ideology of those close to Corbyn and the drive in the Labour party to get rid of moderate MPs.

Why did I post - it was relevant because somebody posted the potential benefits of a government change.

Socialism is only a theory, it has never been achieved and in a global trading country it can never be achieved.

What should be talked about is a mixed economy with a move to more control.

 

[Notch7]

It is you who is saying they are not near enough to the centre of the political spectrum, for your liking, so I suggested a party that is.

Im not complaining labour is not near enough to the centre. Thats your way to avoid having a discussion. You are therefore saying that you only want out and out socialists in the Labour party and all the more modern pragmatic moderates should leave and join lib dems.

You dont seem to realise a mianstream party needs to be a broad church to attract the support of suffient spectrum of the electorate to be electable.

Im saying supporters of Corbyn are ignoring a large part of the labour party that being callled Blairites because they dont agree with the far left.

If you read Chuka Umunna's essay you will find what he wants is a move away from a free market economy towards more control to improve equality. But because he is more interested in pragmatism than ideological belief in socialism, he doesnt fit in with the Corbynistas.

 

[SirGalahad]

Corbyns tweet is an insight into his ideology that overides any pragmatic politics. Corbyn clearly supports the ideology of socialism in Cuba but he conviently forgets the human right abuses and suppression because he doesnt see it.

Look at the ideology of those close to Corbyn and the drive in the Labour party to get rid of moderate MPs.

Why did I post - it was relevant because somebody posted the potential benefits of a government change.

Socialism is only a theory, it has never been achieved and in a global trading country it can never be achieved.

What should be talked about is a mixed economy with a move to more control.

it seems, I may be wrong but you are using the term "Socialism" as a stick to beat any criticism of any alternative policies. The term has become weaponised. A mixed economy as I have pointed out has some form of Government direction when it comes to what and how goods and services are produced - but any move towards rebalancing an economy many shout it's a move to Socialism.

Just discuss the policies point by point.

Look at Education - tuition fees to pay for higher education will likely cost the Government more now than if they were free because of the dampening effect they have on future demand. So any move away from a market based system that has failed towards a more centrally planned system, you would shout that down as Socialism when it makes more economic sense.

I don't care for the term socialism as in economics its simply has little use as you focus on the policies but in the minds of people and politics the term can be used to sway public opinion.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Im not complaining labour is not near enough to the centre.

Yes, you are. You are complaining that they are going too far to the left.

Thats your way to avoid having a discussion.

I am discussing. It's difficult to figure out what you mean.

You are therefore saying that you only want out and out socialists in the Labour party and all the more modern pragmatic moderates should leave and join lib dems.

It's not what I want. I have not said what I want.
I am trying to tell you what YOU should do if you don't agree with what is happenning.

You dont seem to realise a mianstream party needs to be a broad church to attract the support of suffient spectrum of the electorate to be electable.

Presumably a broad church party will have people of differing views which might lead to arguments about which group is leading at a particular time.
That depends what a mainstream party is. Is that getting voted in by saying whatever is needed to get voted in and bugger your true beliefs? Why does it have to be (what you call) a mainstream party?
Should there be three mainstream parties?

I am saying that if Labour were to become something the people don't want, they won't get elected. So be it.
How will anyone know unless they do. What if they do that and then do get elected?

Im saying supporters of Corbyn are ignoring a large part of the labour party that being callled Blairites because they dont agree with the far left.

Depends what you are calling the Labour party.
What about the other way round when Blair was leader? Did he ignore a large part of the party?

If you read Chuka Umunna's essay you will find what he wants is a move away from a free market economy towards more control to improve equality.

Sounds a bit socialist to me (notwithstanding SirGalahad's points regarding use of the word).

But because he is more interested in pragmatism than ideological belief in socialism, he doesnt fit in with the Corbynistas.

So what does Corbyn do if he doesn't fit in with the Umunnaistas?

You are using pejorative words again. That's what people do when they want to denegrate people without actual evidence.

 

[transam]

transam sometimes has a bit of fun by pretending to be uneducated, of low intelligence, and unable to cope with spelling and grammar.

Who knows why he finds it funny to mock members of society with such difficulties.

His behaviour is shameful.

Well Er there may & I stress the word "may" be a tadge of truth in that

Shameful . tis true I have no shame