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First off, finanlly an interesting discussion on here. 
Sure we will disagree but life would be boring if we agreed all the time and if it's done in a civil manner it can only enlighten us.
My understanding is that the UK interpretation of the rules was challenged and the clarification meant the pay was incorrectly calculated. This was not the fault of the EU or Businesses but what was considered the practice at the time so neither was it challenged by Employees. Once there was clarification then it became one of recalculation.
As I pointed our under current EU Rules the Government can purchase a viable business and continue running that viable business. Nothing precludes this. If British Steel was struggling then should we leave it to the free market to decide its fate? If not then who decides what are important industries? If they are important industries then should they be left to the market to dictate their fate. I hear this argument all the time - let companies be free to make profits but the moment they get into trouble it should be upto the Government to bail them out. There is moral hazard at play.
In bold is just wrong. Trade deals take time - The Japan /Australia deal between two trading nations that covers certain industries took 7 years. So the EU Japan Trade deal reduces tariffs to zero over 7 years I believe and now when we are outside of the EU, our bargaining power will drop but Japan will give us better terms. This is not reality but fantasy. Why are Brexiteers already mentioning dropping tariffs on 87% of goods uniltaerally?
Again you contradict yourself - you want protectionism and higher tariffs and then say our buying power as an indepdent nation will help us achieve that. It won't we will have less negotiating power on our own than part of the EU. To me it seems you are entertaining the idea that you could somehow get a specific trade deal that benefits the Steel Industry.
So you don't want standards so how are you going to export to the EU if you don't meet their standards. It seems quite clear that you see regulations as something that holds you back and with Brexit you will be able to release yourself from these shackles but who will you be selling to? If its the EU you will still have to meet these regulations. If your market is domestic then how will Brexit effect your customers and suppliers.
Sure we will disagree but life would be boring if we agreed all the time and if it's done in a civil manner it can only enlighten us. My understanding is that the UK interpretation of the rules was challenged and the clarification meant the pay was incorrectly calculated. This was not the fault of the EU or Businesses but what was considered the practice at the time so neither was it challenged by Employees. Once there was clarification then it became one of recalculation.
As I pointed our under current EU Rules the Government can purchase a viable business and continue running that viable business. Nothing precludes this. If British Steel was struggling then should we leave it to the free market to decide its fate? If not then who decides what are important industries? If they are important industries then should they be left to the market to dictate their fate. I hear this argument all the time - let companies be free to make profits but the moment they get into trouble it should be upto the Government to bail them out. There is moral hazard at play.
In bold is just wrong. Trade deals take time - The Japan /Australia deal between two trading nations that covers certain industries took 7 years. So the EU Japan Trade deal reduces tariffs to zero over 7 years I believe and now when we are outside of the EU, our bargaining power will drop but Japan will give us better terms. This is not reality but fantasy. Why are Brexiteers already mentioning dropping tariffs on 87% of goods uniltaerally?
Again you contradict yourself - you want protectionism and higher tariffs and then say our buying power as an indepdent nation will help us achieve that. It won't we will have less negotiating power on our own than part of the EU. To me it seems you are entertaining the idea that you could somehow get a specific trade deal that benefits the Steel Industry.
So you don't want standards so how are you going to export to the EU if you don't meet their standards. It seems quite clear that you see regulations as something that holds you back and with Brexit you will be able to release yourself from these shackles but who will you be selling to? If its the EU you will still have to meet these regulations. If your market is domestic then how will Brexit effect your customers and suppliers.
