Loft light and sockets - spur?

[pcaouolte]

To be fair to Winston, he has a wife who makes a habit of going into the attic and pursuing her arc welding hobby while picking random sockets to do this.

It seems a bit silly to do that in an un-boarded loft that she might fall through if the lights where to go out.

 

[SUNRAY]

To be fair the lights could go off on your landing and you fall down the stairs

There could also be a powercut and plunge the whole street into darkness and he could trip up a kerb and smack his face on the corner of the wheeliebin which could then fall over on top of him and break his arm.

I wonder if he sees that as a hazard too?

 

[scousespark]

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I'll let anyone draw their own conclusions but I personally consider the information given is flawed.

There are many such installations is use in the UK, counted in hundreds of thousands if not millions and it appears only one person holds such views.

The fitting of 13A sockets on 5/6A lighting circuits is included within the wiring regulations.

where does it say you can use a 13A socket?

 

[EFLImpudence]

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[MatthewM]

Thank you for the kind replies. The problem with running a cable up is there isn’t anywhere to hide it and I would have to go through a stud wall ie a lot of damage. If I was to go this path I could check the current drain of each transformer and presumably put an rcd socket in on top of the circuit breaker on the main board.

 

[ericmark]

I would supply from the lighting supply, however my loft is boarded, so I can safely exit the loft with a power failure. Of course same applies to rest of house, I did have two rechargeable torches which would auto light with a power cut, one has failed and needs replacing, I have a high socket on the landing to power the torch.

However should the lighting circuit only fail, the emergency torch would not auto light. So down to a risk assessment. Even your mobile phone is often enough light, and I have been caught out walking from car to house, when street lights turned off, I don't know what time they turn off, but even if I did, one does not tend to check ones watch to see if they are likely to turn off.

So in the interests of safety, it would be better if my plug in torch was powered from the lights, however likely my wife would use socket for vacuum cleaner, maybe should call it an air volatility cleaner, or may get picked up for using wrong word, as it can't produce a vacuum.

It is your house, so you must do the risk assessment. Can't see my wife lugging a vacuum cleaner into the loft.

 

[SUNRAY]

where does it say you can use a 13A socket?

Where does it say you can't?


Ohh

559.5.1(v)

 

[Taylortwocities]

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a shaver socket where they have actually installed two feeds

I have seen this several times. It is not two feeds.

You have two cables, but you will probably find that one cable is a (lighting circuit) feed in to the shaversocket,
and then a cable that takes the feed out and on to (probably) the next lighting point. aka standard "loop in" wiring.

 

[JohnD]

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I have seen this several times. It is not two feeds.

You have two cables, but you will probably find that one cable is a (lighting circuit) feed in to the shaversocket,
and then a cable that takes the feed out and on to (probably) the next lighting point. aka standard "loop in" wiring.

Mine has the shaver socket, then wall lights each side of the mirror, on the same run

 

[ninjacat]

While you are in the loft and plunges you into darkness. Fumbling around in the dark your foot goes through the ceiling.

Probably why I have a non maintained emergency light up in my loft so I don't have that issue.