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D&J ... ???
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/15095566?source=Evening Standard

Here they go again Westminster messing !! guess we will now have a moving wall of lorries on the inside lane ... just the sort of mask one would desire when one needs to use the hard shoulder.
This just cannot be serious .. can it ? All those people who hate middle lane drives ... they will have to find other routes !! No room for them in the inside lane soon !!
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AFAIK, it is still legal to drive on the motorway at, say 40mph. So if you have a vintage car that is capable of no more than this, you will soon end up with a queue of lorries, miles long, behind you. Other motorists will be unable to find a gap to get back into the left hand lane, (when they want to get off the motorway). This will lead to a centre lane and right hand lane to coming to a standstill. Junctions will become gridlocked as no-one is able to get onto the motorway (due to the solid wall of lorries). This situation could also develop just from one heavily laden lorry struggling up a long hill. Lets just hope that this trial implementation will highlight the lunacy of the whole idea.
 
Perhaps they should just pass a law banning lorries attempting to overtake when the vehicle in front is at a speed approaching that of its limiter. The problems are caused when you have lorry A trying to overtake lorry B, when they are both limited to the same speed. Especially on two lane roads. This way, HGVs would only be allowed to overtake if the vehicle in front was doing less than, say, 50mph, LGVs when the vehicle in front is doing less than 60 (these are limited to 65, no?).

I have nothing against lorries in the middle lane or even the outside lane of a two-lane road when it is done considerately. What I am against is being forced down to 56mph for 2 miles or more whilst some clot tries to complete a manoeuver. I nearly missed a junction last week because of one such idiot. Two lane road, once he finally pulled in I had a a choice of either accelerating up to 90 to get past and in front with a reasonable distance between his front and my rear, or try to squeeze between the tailgating trucks. Either that or drive 15 miles, turn around, come back two junctions, turn around again and have another go. This would have added about 40 miles to my journey, all because one inconsiderate road user wants to get his lorry full whatever somewhere a couple of minutes quicker. No doubt the only reason he managed to get past was because a more considerate HGV driver slowed down slightly to let him in.

This trial won't help lorry drivers or any other motorists when it comes to the junctions, unless they build underpasses or bypasses on every single junction for lorries. Lorry drivers will be too pi**ed off to let people through!

Just as bad bikers give bikers a bad name, bad lorry drivers do the same. We need to educate the bad lorry drivers to drive in a way that will make everybody happier.

I notice that 86% of people voted in favour on the online poll!
 
Years ago the same remarks for this idea came on in The Netherlands. It was introduces however and trafic on the very busy motorwyas there became more streamlined, less notorious trafic jams and (hardly) any problems coming on or of the mtorway.
Like most of you I hate middle lane drivers, but this rule is meant for two lanes motorways. I still think it will help trafic flow better.
 
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This is the first I have heard of this and think it very wrong really. It really is discrimination against a vital business sector. Everybody gets fed up of being stuck behind trucks, but they are singling them out, because it is easy.

What comes next, caravans and horse boxes, tractors and hay trailers?

The fault is clearly being caused by the lack of investment roads and transport of all sorts, including trains and public transport.

I have often thought we should have 2 types of motorway which would segregate light and heavy vehicles. There would be many advantages in this. We would see less of the really bad accidents caused by big meeting small. Accidents, breakdowns or repairs on one would not effect the other etc.

A light motorway would need far less excavation and surfacing, the bridges could also be much lighter in construction, steep hills would not need to be avoided as much, it would also not wear out as quickly etc.

I am curious though about this idea being trailed in the West Midlands. Will the toll road be exempt and hence take more money from trucks?
 
On the subject of mo-way maintenance ... recent visit to NEC at Brum from West Country via M5 .... two distinct furrows or depressions in the North bound surface, inside lane .. obviously where the lorry wheels run ... poorly designed road maintenance surely ? I do not use Mo-ways extensively, but have not noticed this before ??? The structure is collapsing .... hey ho more hold ups to come.

Here is a thought ... Bath, for the umpteenth year, major roadworks from Sept to Xmas at best .. usually over-runs to late Feb .... in parallel with the awakening construction industry .... I wonder if this is the day-work autumn / winter bonanza for a particular road maintenance company .. Strange we have the bl##dy chaos every year and the projects always last through the winter however big or small ... mmmmm ! I sense a gentle tug at my old purse strings here ... But then they've bunged £60M away on the Spa project - abject failure thus far, years behind ... incompetence at every level -- :rolleyes:
 
I'll try to choose a non-fire day !! Never mind fire - 'nuff to kill walking to and from car parking !! Still, the pole dancers were ok (Mo-cycle show).

..spech if theres a fire..
Nearly read that as 'Speech, if theres a fire' ..... thought , 'Nah, I'll pass on that, fink I'll do the runner now if you don't mind '
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david and julie said:
What comes next, caravans and horse boxes,

Please, I would love that. :LOL:

So many horsey-girls round my parents way. Driving incredibly slowly so as not to upset the horse... if you don't want to upset the horse, leave the poor chap in the paddock!

People who moan about tractors and farm vehicles on the road, should stop eating food! But in my experience, tractors only hold you up for a short stretch at a time as they are usually good at pulling in when they can, and they seem to stay off the roads during the busy times of day. Whereas a long motorway journey can seem to go on forever as you are stuck behind lorry after lorry doing pointless overtaking manoeuvres.

We would see less of the really bad accidents caused by big meeting small.

Do that in France, and how would their lorry drivers and farmers blockade the roads every summer? :rolleyes: Sounds like a good idea though, but the cost-effective solution is to segregate via lanes for now. Like a bus lane really.
 
pipme said:
two distinct furrows or depressions in the North bound surface, inside lane .. obviously where the lorry wheels run ... poorly designed road maintenance surely ? I do not use Mo-ways extensively, but have not noticed this before ??? The structure is collapsing .... hey ho more hold ups to come.

This is one reason why I don't go in the inside lane when there is no need to (yes, I stay in the middle-lane when it is necessary and/or reasonable to, especially when it makes life safer). I pay my £145 a year road tax for 8000 miles to be driven on good roads. :cool:

Obviously I pull into the inside lane if there is a sufficient volume of traffic on the roads, but far too often when you pull in to let someone pass you in the middle lane, they pull alongside and then sit there. Which means when you come up to something slow you have to either speed up and pull in front, or slow down and pull in behind. If they want to overtake, there is an empty lane to my right, they can use that. :idea:

Middle-lane driving is only a problem when you get someone sitting there at sub-70 and there is a load of traffic, or if it is someone who can't modulate their throttle pedal sufficiently to maintain a steady speed.
 
Don't forget the trucks are not limited to 56mph by choice, it was supposedly done to save fuel and reduce accidents. Be glad that no interfering career politician isn't trying to do the same for cars. Just think if everything was limited to 56mph the problem wouldn't exist. It would also save fuel and cause less carnage.(BTW there is talk of reducing them again to 50)

I agree about segregation but would see it from a different angle. The vast majority of cars have one person in them on a journey.

Trucks are carrying the commodities we all expect in the shops for a modern way of life, vans are often carrying tradesmen with tools etc. These 2 groups have no choice because their loads are to heavy for public transport.

Perhaps we should restrict cars to 1 lane to try to make them use public transport?

I once read that the Gov spends around 10% of the VED take on the roads, surely thats the problem really.
 
How would more laws and regulation help?

If people used the existing system correctly then it would work perfectly, but they don't.

But I suppose if there were penalties payable and a system was easily enforceable, it would act as a detterant and generate revenue...

Ah, I see, I've answered my own question! :rolleyes:
 
As with all sections of Acts that are passed, if it proves unworkable then it will not become law and also not be included in the highway code.
So motorists it's in your hands now to make it fail.
 
The 'furrows' in the mo-way surface are handy if your wheels fit, a little like a railway, vehicle tends to run 'down' a camber, so will always be straightened up automatically .... conical section wheels, or why railway stock generally does not use the wheel flanges to stay on track ;)
I believe governing all cars to 60 max would eventually be an enjoyable exercise. A fair bit of stress would be removed at a stroke ... No loonies gaining a place on the bypass at 100 in 50 limit !!
I remember the 50 limit being introduced way back in the 60's, various factions up in arms lots of bluster etc... little or no mo-ways then, idiot overtaking happening everywhere. After the 50 limits installed, people began talking of the pleasure of driving, with traffic moving in a steady state situation.
Where is the sense in personal transport having no limit to its potential speed bar the depth of a pocket ? Even that doesn't count today, I can go out and buy a second hand 150mph car for less than £10k zero to someone potentially looking at the lid seconds quicker than most cars on the road, no 'part P' to ensure competent servicing or even any servicing at all ... To sit in traffic jams, then vent ones frustion on the go pedal ? Human nature !!
If the Stats on speed cams are correct, but the overall death rate has increased, it is just possible that the apparent danger spots now with cam have just shifted elsewhere ... perhaps the original danger spot was actually the best of a bad road for overtaking ... stick a cam there, then there remains only the 'worse' spots .. hence overall deaths do not go down.
Get those governors on, then powers that be could play with the speed rate settings at MOT or service times, if deemed necessary.
Of course I am forgetting the motor industry here ... I reckon they had their times in the 60-70's, Look where we are now after feeding the car frenzy in the good old bad old days .. do we learn ?
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