more support for fatties..

[ColJack]

.. I'm allowed to call them that because I am one.. ( 28 stone.. !! )

do you think that it's fair that the smokers get all the help and publicity from the NHS to stop smoking, but obese people don't get help in losing weight?

The smokers get add campaigns, NHS help groups and even nicotine patches on perscription to help them quit..

do the Obese get a mention on telly? no
do the Obese get free Weight Watchers? no
do the Obese get free gym membership? no...

 

[mattylad]

I was in the pharmacists yesterday, I recall mentioning to my daughter that there was 5 different leaflets for giving up smoking.

1 for healthy eating & losing wieght.

Go figure.

 

[toasty]

Fat people are stupid.

Smokers are stupid.
Don't get me started on fat smokers.


If you want to lose weight, do it.
If you want to give up smoking, do it.

Harsh maybe, but I just can't stand all this whining and moaning - you've got to help yourself.

If you don't help yourself then it's just laziness, which (frankly) is how people get fat in the first place.



Oh, and apologies to people who are either fat and/or smoke, and who are happy doing either/both - that's fine by me.

It's the whinging, whining moaning people who want to stop smoking or lose weight but can't be ar$ed to do it that get my goat.

Rant over.

 

[Shutpa]

Toasty has hit the nail on the head. I have a friend who was also 28 stones and in less than a year took off 10. Then he lost the place, started overeating again, and now he weighs in at 34 stones. When he asked me to stop at the chip shop one night to get his supper, he came out with three fish suppers. Talk about being stupid?

 

[kjacko]

ColJack, it is possible mate that you've uninentionally stirred up a hornets nest here, lol.

My take on it?
I do think we waste too much money helping smokers, then again unless a fat person sits on me, then their situation doesn't impact on me. However sitting near to a smoker can affect my health as has been categorically proven time and time again.

So, helping to cure a smooker of their filthy, disgusting 'loser' habit can actually have a direct benefit on the health of others, helping someone lose weight doesn't!

I agree with toasty, you wanna quit, then quit!
You wanna lose weight, then flippin well do so.
This isn't an attack on you per se mate, i adopt this philosophy for most habit type addictions.
Don't rely on other pepole, you got yourself in this mess, get yourself out, without impacting on the tax payer.

Not everyone who has a weight problem can attribute it to thyroid issues.....but loads do to excuse their gluttony! This, i abhore with a passion, as i do smoking!

*steps down off soap box*

 

[ColJack]

nothing said will be taken as a direct insult, appart from direct insults, so don't worry about it..

whilt I do agree that a lot of fatties are self made, there are others that have medical conditions that attribute to it..
there's a neurological dissorder that means your brain doesn't get the message that the stomach is full
there's thyroid conditions which regulate the way your body burns callories etc..

then there's nurturing causes as well...

My mother always made me clear my plate before letting me go and play so that's been conditioned into me, as well as my mothers idea of portion controll.. I was eating the same size meal as my 8 year older brother and my father when I was 10.. so adult sized portions...

there are social causes..

to socialise with friends it's common practice to go down the pub or out for a curry etc.. all of which involve the intake of vast quantities of calories..
it's often easier to stop on the way home and grab a Macies or some chips instead of spending 40 minutes at 7pm cooking food..


Whilst I'm not of the "it's not my fault" brigade generally, and accept that If I really wanted to I could loose some weight, what I'm unhappy about is that the NHS focus more on curing people of a totally self inflicted problem, rather than one which is a byproduct of a necessary bodily function..

after all, I don't ever have to smoke to survive, and quitting smoking has never killed anyone directly, whereas I need to eat daily and stopping totally would result in my certain death in a matter of days..

 

[toasty]

I just re-read my post, apologies to ColJack, it wasn't meant as a direct dig at you.

What I mean is that it's stupid to be fat or a smoker if you don't want to be.

As for smokers getting all the attention, yeah probably not fair, but life isn't always.

As for losing weight, 3500 calories is roughly a pound of fat. So the simple (and infalible) way to lose weight is just to eat a little less (say 500 cals per day) walk for 30mins a day (another 500 cals if you are heavy) meaning a daily calorific deficit of 1000 cals. i.e you'll lose 2 pounds in weight per week, easy!! That's roughly 7 stone a year.

My opinion (and sorry, I'm full of them today) is that people want to loose the weight over night, and that will never happen, it took years to put it on, it'll take years to take it off.

If I was fat, that's what I'd do.

 

[dextrous]

As for losing weight, 3500 calories is roughly a pound of fat. So the simple (and infalible) way to lose weight is just to eat a little less (say 500 cals per day) walk for 30mins a day (another 500 cals if you are heavy) meaning a daily calorific deficit of 1000 cals. i.e you'll lose 2 pounds in weight per week, easy!! That's roughly 7 stone a year.

You should write a book

With direct reference to this post, there are a plethora of diting books available, whereas only a small number for giving up smoking. Unless you're into hypnosis, at which point a lot of quacks jump on the band wagon. Finally, there are scant tv programs about "methods" for giving up the weed, but quite a few for losing weight.

 

[Bahco]

Hey Coljack

If I can give up smoking, you can have a go at dieting.

I think it is all about changing habits. Everything you are doing now regarding your diet needs to change and you will soon get into new habits.


CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE, you can do it.

Good luck and we will support you if you really decide to have a go.

 

[blondini]

ColJack, I know of someone on another forum who shed 13 stone in 26 weeks. He started at over 28 stone. He took advice, joined a program and it was hard but he stuck to it. The before and after photos were amazing -fat slob to handsome dog in six months!
Some of the other forum members were inspired and jumped on the bandwagon with good results...

 

[ColJack]

by all means name the forum..

 

[noseall]

I feel sorry for people who are addicted to food.

If you want to quit alcohol, you stop drinking alcohol.

If you want to quit fags, you stop smoking fags.

You can not stop eating food.

That said, a lot of overweight people use the same tired old excuses in order to keep on gorging. It is the same with any addict.

Humans can not defy physics. If your intake is less than your output, then you will not put on weight, FULL STOP.

So - eat less, exercise more.

 

[blondini]

by all means name the forum..

I can link to the thread http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/log...&t=43496&sid=94dc9aa092b78b7522a4f11d82014b33 but you have to join (free) to view.

 

[hairyben]

The nhs is useless? Well stop the presses!!! Hold the front page!!!

No offence pal but there are people with serious medical conditions who are fobbed off by the nhs while they concentrate on politically driven distractive bullcarp, but if it's any consellation fat-free is highly likely to be the next big in-thing.

Just hope you or anyone you hold dear never suffers a serious depression or mental illness, then you'll find out just how useless, incompetent and negligent they can really be.

 

[seco services]

more surport for the fatties

ya give them a zimmer frame that'll surport them.