Most Tory members would choose no deal (wrecking the economy) over May's Brexit plan

[SirGalahad]

A bit like returning the so called, "refugees", riles the Lefty Snowflakes.

Another logic fail for you. They are only refugees if they are granted that status - if they are then they can stay in the country so your point regarding return doesn't stand. Before they are granted refugee status they are either asylum seekers who have applied for refugee status or are economic migrants. Economic migrants should be returned to their origin country.

 

[noseall]

Merkel wants one,
Macrap wants one.

Oh you mean something along the lines of what we have already - a NATO type arrangement only for Europe because of the madcap nutters ruling the US and Russia presently? Very sensible considering.
Silly darrington. You made it sound as if the Nazis want to take over the world again, lol.

 

[darrington]

Most people would sooner have NATO looking after us, than that eu rubbish being let loose with the "Germs" running the ratship.

 

[Vinty]

Correct.

There won't be an EU army because there won't be an EU in a few years time.
The rise of popular nationalism will see to that.
Why do you think Mrs Merkel is getting out now, she is doing a Tony Blair and getting out before the proverbial hits the fan.

 

[noseall]

Most people

Not true. Not even close.

 

[noseall]

The rise of popular nationalism will see to that.

Really?

It's no coincidence that those countries that owe the greatest debt to the EU are the most resentful. A 'few' years eh?

 

[darrington]

Not true. Not even close.

Come on then Noseall, give us the figures!
Do you really think that the majority of people in Europe would trust that useless, "drunken" led shower in Brussels, over NATO?? LOL.

 

[SirGalahad]

Come on then Noseall, give us the figures!
Do you really think that the majority of people in Europe would trust that useless, "drunken" led shower in Brussels, over NATO?? LOL.

Do you even know how NATO makes decisions? It's not by a vote but consensus. 22 EU countries are members of NATO.

 

[noseall]

Come on then Noseall, give us the figures!

I can't. I made it up just like you did.

Europe has become wary of Trump and his outbursts, noting his animosity towards a Europe more prosperous than the USA. He hates the fact that he can not trade with Germany alone. His brain can not process it.

I occasionally speak to ordinary Europeans and they think we are nuts as well as Trump. I find it abhorrent that the UK is lumped in with that right wing nutter. However, I'm also aware that Europeans will never quite get us Brits.

 

[SirGalahad]

Most people would sooner have NATO looking after us, than that eu rubbish being let loose with the "Germs" running the ratship.

So that's a majority of voters or people? In either case you have a report or poll stating that or is that another one of your stats plucked from nowhere?

 

[noseall]

or is that another one of your stats plucked from nowhere?

darrington is a serial grumbler. Let him be.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Re. the demographic profile of Tories and them being a dying breed etc etc …

The Conservative Party has been dead for a long time, the current lot are conservative in name only - with them we are still in the Tony Blair years. They are elected by and repeatedly betray loyal, decent, right-thinking people. Ask yourselves what does the Conservative Party do that is conservative? What do they conserve in this country? Things they have done in recent years would have at one time been seen as extreme left.

True conservatives however, are far from dying - we just haven't got a party to represent us. The worst thing about the right wing in this country is that it cannot organise itself into a political force, unlike the master manipulators Labour. The 2015 General Election had 15 million right-wing votes, which should have been a landslide. Brexit had 17 million voting the "right" way.

 

[JohnD]

What do they conserve in this country?

Theresa's quite fond of fox-hunting, the ivory trade, and keeping the darkies out.

 

[noseall]

Ask yourselves what does the Conservative Party do that is conservative?

Dunno?

However, if 98% of the stuff they tell the electorate is lies, then they definitely qualify as right wing.

 

[SirGalahad]

Re. the demographic profile of Tories and them being a dying breed etc etc …

The Conservative Party has been dead for a long time, the current lot are conservative in name only - with them we are still in the Tony Blair years. They are elected by and repeatedly betray loyal, decent, right-thinking people. Ask yourselves what does the Conservative Party do that is conservative? What do they conserve in this country? Things they have done in recent years would have at one time been seen as extreme left.

True conservatives however, are far from dying - we just haven't got a party to represent us. The worst thing about the right wing in this country is that it cannot organise itself into a political force, unlike the master manipulators Labour. The 2015 General Election had 15 million right-wing votes, which should have been a landslide. Brexit had 17 million voting the "right" way.

What policies do you want implemented? What policies do you consider are leftish by the current Government?

What era of conservative party do you want to refer to as being the "right minded conservatives" - you do know the history of the conservative party?