I hope that you didn't pay too much for it, given that it's only got about 9 months' life left.
£65 inc VAT, better than the £76.50 that WHSmiths want for it. Plus the 18th Edition does not come into law until the beginning of January 2019.
I hope that you didn't pay too much for it, given that it's only got about 9 months' life left.
Ah. Right, that might make sense for the OSG and worst case scenario.However, I think I may have discovered (roughly!) what is going on. I've just looked at my OSG (albeit I only have a red one). It carefully explains why the maximum Zs figures it gives are different from those in Tables 41.2 - 41. of the regs, and then gone on to say that the figures in the OSG relate to measurements undertaken at 10°C (maybe they are thinking of the 'new builds' above!), which they say uses a divisor of 1.24 (corresponding to a multiplier of 0.806). That is very close to the Appendix 14 figure of 0.8, so I suspect (I've just noticed that they don't say) that the 'deemed to satisfy' 0.8 figure in App 14 relates to measurements at 10°C, rather than the 20°C figure (more reasonable for inhabited premises!) you used for your calculations.
As we're just discussing - it doesn't.So 1.37Ω x 0.8 = 1.09 permitted Zs
Also, what pages does the 0.8 temperature correction factor show up in BS7671 other than on page 452 under Appendix 14?
Indeed.Ah. Right, that might make sense for the OSG and worst case scenario.
Well, as I said, the 0.8 is a 'deemed to satisfy' figure, and such figures generally are at least as bad as 'worse case' (they perhaps assume that electricians don't/won't work in environments colder than 10°C!) - and, as you say, indicate that one can calculate the max Zs 'properly'/precisely if one wants to. That's the usual way for 'deemed to satisfy' provisions throughout the Building Regs (and other legislation) - just there for those who are too lazy (or unable) to work things out properly for themselves (and thereby almost always end up with less onerous requirements) - Table 54.7 in BS7671 is a good example.I don't think it good enough for BS7671 with no explanation as to original temperatures.
I've just been looking and, for some reason, that explicit statement (and a fair bit more) has disappeared in the 18th ed DPC ....Appendix 14 does say that if the measurement exceeds that arrived at by using the formula then "a more precise assessment may be made".
Indeed. As I said before, that would make more sense than majoring on tabulations of 'max Zs' when measured at a temperature at which Zs is virtually never going to be measured. I suppose that, in Britain, something like 15°C or 20°C would be more realistic as the most common indoor temps. Indeed, that might not be unreasonable for most 'developed' countries, since higher indoor temps would probably be "AC'd down" to not much above 20°C.Mmm. Strange. ... They may as well do what you suggested and print the max Zs figures in Chapter 41 for 10°C (perhaps not unreasonable for Britain but not quite equivalent to the 0.8 value) and just state that adjustment for other temperatures may/should be calculated.
Well, it would seem that the "more precise method" described in the current Appendix 14 (but seemingly not to be described in 18th) is 'more precise' (and almost certain to give higher 'max permissible measured Zs' figures) for two potential reasons. Firstly, they only apply the temperature correction to the the loop impedance within the installation - i.e. they do not correct the Ze component of total Zs. That probably makes sense, in as much as the assumption is presumably that the temperature of conductors in the DNOs cables is probably fairly constant."other methods are not precluded" ... There aren't really "other methods" are there? Just other temperatures for the measurements. I can't think of anything else at the moment.
Indeed. As I said I would not have expected you to disagree with the initial answer I gave.
Fair enough. I suppose it depends upon how much time he has. I'm a great believer in learning (anything), but I don't think I'd personally have the time to learn (to any significant extent) about things that I was only going to do 'once in a blue moon'.
That may be true but, as I said, I thought Eddie's point was a general one about DIYers wanting/having any MFT. He probably did not know anything about the spec of the particular one in question.
Kind Regards, John
That may well be true, but it has nothing to do with Eddie's participation in the forum, so you maybe muddied the waters a little by mentioning it in reply to my first response to your criticism.I wasn't looking at Eddie's posts when I mentioned the spec. It has a load of functionality which a diyer will never use (or likely understand).
I'm sure no-one would disagree with that statement of the obvious. The same could probably be said of any 'tool' used by anyone (DIYer or otherwise) in any field.I would say that the make/model of MFT is nowhere near as important as the requirement to know how to use it.
It is so much more imortant that you understand what you are doing (and what the results mean) than the make/model of MFT.
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