New MOT rules

[SirGalahad]

So new MOT testing rules come into force, will this be akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic?

New issues will be classified as Dangerous, major and minor. With Minor faults not being a cause for failure.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Same as now, then, with different words.

Like the electrical trade. Have to keep having new rules.
I suspect, call me cynical, it's rule makers perpetuating their jobs.

Motion at next Council meeting - "Everythying's fine, they don't need us any more".

 

[Mottie]

Another load of crapola to get our heads around.

 

[Keithmac]

Basically an advisory changes to a Minor fault, a normal fail is a Major fault and a Dangerous means the vehicle shouldn't be driven away.

Doubt you can stop anybody riding/ driving away so it's the same as it's always been (you can already mark defects as Dangerous).

Looks like somebody's trying to keep their none-job by medling again. The smart cards were a complete waste of money imho..

 

[conny]

Speaking to a mechanic friend a few weeks ago and he said although they don't have the authority to stop you driving a dangerous vehicle away they do have a moral/legal obligation to inform the police. Even if you are going to take it for scrap it has to be on a carrier and not driven or towed away as your insurance is invalid, along with your MOT of course.

 

[SirGalahad]

Basically an advisory changes to a Minor fault, a normal fail is a Major fault and a Dangerous means the vehicle shouldn't be driven away.

Doubt you can stop anybody riding/ driving away so it's the same as it's always been (you can already mark defects as Dangerous).

Looks like somebody's trying to keep their none-job by medling again. The smart cards were a complete waste of money imho..

I thought if a car fails an MOT but the original MOT has not expired this means that its unsafe and the original MOT is not valid anymore?

 

[Mottie]

An MOT certificate is valid until the expiry dates shown on the certificate. An MOT test failure can not invalidate or cancel a current MOT certificate however, the construction and use regulations will trump an MOT anytime. In fact, the driver of a car that has passed its MOT test can be nicked as he leaves the test station for certain offences under those regs.

 

[DaveHerns]

Yes but doesn't the failure get recorded on the system so Plod can get details on the ANPR system?

 

[Keithmac]

Yes but doesn't the failure get recorded on the system so Plod can get details on the ANPR system?

Passes get recorded but not fails, you can get it tested a month minus a day before current MOT expires and even if it gets slated and failed it's still technically MOT'd for a month.

As said above I can pass a bike that would be pulled over under Constitution And Use act, pretty bloody stupid to be fair..

 

[DaveHerns]

Fails do get recorded, it shows on your on line MOT history.

 

[Mottie]

But they don’t affect the status of the active mot on the database.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Isn't the point that, even with a brand new MoT from yesterday, if you get stopped and your car is judged unroadworthy, you will be charged - and the garage will be investigated, if it is not possible it happened since yesterday.

You are not allowed to drive an unroadworthy car even if it does have a valid MoT.

 

[Keithmac]

You're only likely to get stopped if pinged on ANPR for no MOT etc or there's something totally obviously dangerous imho..

 

[Mottie]

Isn't the point that, even with a brand new MoT from yesterday, if you get stopped and your car is judged unroadworthy, you will be charged - and the garage will be investigated, if it is not possible it happened since yesterday.

You are not allowed to drive an unroadworthy car even if it does have a valid MoT.

Garage won’t be investigated unless it’s beyond all reasonable doubt that a fault was blindingly obvious at the time of test and it is impossible for the fault to have developed after the test, even minutes after. Unroadworthy and MOT standards are different. Lights/wipers/washers or any mandatory electrical item can fail, windscreen can crack, brake pipes/hoses can burst (I’ve had three burst during the test), bald spare tyre can be fitted etc within 5 minutes of passing the test. Another example where a car can pass its MOT but be illegal to use on the road is if the owner removed the front bumper revealing dangerous sharp edges or even made some serious body modifications that result in sharp edges that could cause serious harm to a pedestrian if you hit them. Unless those sharp edges were caused by accident or corrosion, we can’t fail the car. In borderline cases of wear, we have to give the benefit of doubt to the vehicle and 'pass and advise'. There’s loads more but don’t forget, MOT standards are absolute MINIMUM standards.

 

[transam]

I remember when they brought in this type approval / super MOT for kit cars SVA

you could turn up with bald tyres but correctly speed rated and get a pass

turn up with new tyres but the incorrect speed rating and it was a fail.

then there was the sharp edges caper on the out side of the car , bloke turned up with a seven type sports car with exposed front suspension nuts that was a fail , untill he went down to halfords for some insulating tape to wrap around the nuts soon as he left that would come off

afaik they have extended or are going to extend the cut off date for older vehcles that will no longer require an MOT ????