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Everything I work on is covered in bird muck. I even have nesting birds to deal with too.
New supply circuit to a caravan (Ed.)
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Why not just let the electrician worry about it?
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You shouldnt be touching this at all mate, regardless to you thinking you can, you wouldnt be on here asking if you could do it safely. Leave this to a spark to do.
You might get more help if you post in Electrics UK
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yeah well it is tough on GD for your harry average spark. Not me though I earn a fortune so I dont careI think some electricians on here have danced round a fire and declared never to come onto general discussion, so you could try again in the electric UK forum see if anyone is mad enough to advise you
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The TN-S supply can at any time be changed to TN-C-S so it is prudent to consider it as being TN-C-S even if it's not. So at some point the earth needs to change, the question is where.
Easy enough to use a plastic adaptable box at one end, this old IET Wiring matters does refer to using a TT from a TN system. The main point is
In the main, the fire regulations ensure the caravan is far enough away for donor building. As to if a farm is covered by Part P depends on where the DNO supply ends, the house could be supplied from farm buildings, so no Part P, or the farm buildings supplied from the house, but in the main supply to a farm is split or three-phase, and only one phase wanted for house, so likely house supplied from farm buildings.
Easy enough to use a plastic adaptable box at one end, this old IET Wiring matters does refer to using a TT from a TN system. The main point is
This seems to say the armourer is connected to the TN supply, and the gland must be isolated from the outbuilding, or in your case caravan hook-up point. I have seen a plastic stuffing gland used, and the SWA cut back at the hook-up end.
In the main, the fire regulations ensure the caravan is far enough away for donor building. As to if a farm is covered by Part P depends on where the DNO supply ends, the house could be supplied from farm buildings, so no Part P, or the farm buildings supplied from the house, but in the main supply to a farm is split or three-phase, and only one phase wanted for house, so likely house supplied from farm buildings.
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As I said, not cut and dried, but it would seem prudent to use a scheme member just in case. I know where I work, it is also hard to work out, as, although it has accommodation, it is also railway premises, it gets complex, so many special rules.
If it is a dwelling, then...
Nothing to do with it.
Is there a dwelling?
It is twenty years next month Part P was introduced.
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A caravan is a dwelling, but does not come under Part P, OK very clear why, Part P is a building regulation, and a caravan is not a building, but simply being a dwelling does not mean Part P applies.
Is it not fairly clear?
Whilst Part P (of the Building Regulations) says that it only applies to dwellings, it does not say that it applies to all dwellings.
"Part P" is "Part P of The Building Regulations", which only apply to "Buildings", which the Regulations define ad ....
It is surely apparent that a caravan is not a 'building' but, rather, is "another kind of structure or erection" - so not within the scope of The Building Regulations.
If caravans are not within the scope of The Building Regulations, then it's surely the case that neither Part P nor any other Part of the Building Regulations can apply to caravans, isn't it?
Are there not Regulations,, or pieces of legislation, relating to caravans and, if there are, do they contain any requirements in relation to the electrical installations within caravans?
As I've just written in response to eric, even if it is a "dwelling" (in the everyday sense, given that the Building Regs do not define it), it would seem that it will not be within the scope of Part P (or any other part opf the Building Regs) if it is not a "building'.
In my humble opinion any electrical supply that is shared with a dwelling comes under Part P , the obvious example is the flat above the pub or shop makes the whole pub or shop come under Part P as well.
I would expect the caravan to do so similarly .
That’s the way I would be inclined to treat it.
I like the mention of Farmers and their practices.
Quite a few years back I was contracted by a person to put an intruder alarm system into his factory type premises, there was a young joiner who also did some work for him and similarly the joiners dad was an electrician who had also done some work for him.
They had both also worked on a number of farm properties and had their own opinions of how lots of the farming fraternity had a tendency to botch things with a bit of twine.
They had an expression if they saw an iffy job they would exclaim “oh it looks like it’s been farmed” . LOL.
But with this particular person we I’ll understood that although he always was more of the “save a shilling” brigade both in business and in personal ways he always insisted that any works on his properties was well over and above any decent minimums required by any regs or conventions.
For the sake of this story let’s call this person Mr Clough. If any of these two chaps saw a job was was well over the top of anything required and a “belts and braces” sort of job they would always exclaim “it’s been Cloughed”.
Turns out many years later I discovered that previously Mr Clough had originally been a farmer.
Anyway, as far as the OP is concerned, leave it to a good pro, you can not be too careful in caravan situations.
What is TNS or appears to be TNS should always be considered as TNC-S or likely to become such at any time.
I would expect the caravan to do so similarly .
That’s the way I would be inclined to treat it.
I like the mention of Farmers and their practices.
Quite a few years back I was contracted by a person to put an intruder alarm system into his factory type premises, there was a young joiner who also did some work for him and similarly the joiners dad was an electrician who had also done some work for him.
They had both also worked on a number of farm properties and had their own opinions of how lots of the farming fraternity had a tendency to botch things with a bit of twine.
They had an expression if they saw an iffy job they would exclaim “oh it looks like it’s been farmed” . LOL.
But with this particular person we I’ll understood that although he always was more of the “save a shilling” brigade both in business and in personal ways he always insisted that any works on his properties was well over and above any decent minimums required by any regs or conventions.
For the sake of this story let’s call this person Mr Clough. If any of these two chaps saw a job was was well over the top of anything required and a “belts and braces” sort of job they would always exclaim “it’s been Cloughed”.
Turns out many years later I discovered that previously Mr Clough had originally been a farmer.
Anyway, as far as the OP is concerned, leave it to a good pro, you can not be too careful in caravan situations.
What is TNS or appears to be TNS should always be considered as TNC-S or likely to become such at any time.
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