NHS short of money or wasteful ?

[SirGalahad]

Whereas in a publicly funded system, the money goes on the top brasses wages, then payoffs when they get fired/transferred for incompetence, then there's the skiing jollies that get dressed up as training. Mum ended up in hospital this week after having blacked out and fallen over. A&E were brilliant, as were the CDU. Unfortunately, when she got on the ward, the care went downhill, and when she complained at night that she was cold, she got ignored and she froze all night. The doctors were good, and she got her medication sorted, but the nurses were absolute crap. The foods got better since her last visit though.

Please point out how much goes on top brass. How much is spent on admin. Facts not your opinion.

So your saying there is an equivalence with your madeup points and factual evidence of bankruptices caused by healthcare costs.

If you are going to make a point back it up.

 

[SirGalahad]

Why are you so focussed on spend per capita? What counts is the system. Theirs is sustainable, ours is not. Theirs -and several others around the world- has a kind of mandatory health insurance (if you're out of work the state pays for your insurance) and there are regulations preventing insurance companies from discriminating (unlike in the US). You don't have to spend twice as much per capita -that just gets you more 5 star hotel experience, with private rooms etc just like in the US, but that sort of thing is a nicety not expected by Britons. Think systematically instead of specifically.

I ask again, is there any amount of money that would satisfy the NHS in its current form? And if so, how much?

You really have no idea whatsoever. Swiss spend more than us. Go look at the amout spent and the outcomes and see how the NHS performs. Until you actually look at the data and read the reports your arguing from a point of no idea. Sorry to say that but its clear.

 

[SirGalahad]

Move the goalposts; you stated that breaking the NHS was Tory policy. I asked for a link to that, otherwise it's no more admissible than Ian's experience of being held in an empty A & E. Which you derided as anecdote.
Hold yourself to the standards that you pillory others for not achieving, why don't you.

It is, go read Hunts book - which you have not. Go read the Naylor report which you have not. Then go read independent reports on Accountable Care organisations which you have not. You can connect the dots - if not then you can put your head in the sand.

So everything a party does in their manifesto? lol

As to standards you clearly don't have any when it comes to reading reports.

 

[SirGalahad]

Bullshyte.
Two of my work colleagues have very similar shoulder injuries sustained from falls. (Torn ligaments)
One has been waiting two years for an operation.

The other guy just learned today after 3 years since his injury that he can now see a consultant regarding his injury. Which will cost him £270 quid.
If he wants to try an operation he will have to pay £2000. Doctors have told him his shoulder is fooked. Its been so long since the injury.
Neither of them can lift their arm above their shoulder height.

None of that makes sense. Why is he being charged. Why is there been a delay?
Is he a benefit scrounger? Can't stand those.

But there is no Austerity or squeeze on healthcare.

 

[Brigadier]

It is, go read Hunts book - which you have not. Go read the Naylor report which you have not. Then go read independent reports on Accountable Care organisations which you have not. You can connect the dots - if not then you can put your head in the sand.

So everything a party does in their manifesto? lol

As to standards you clearly don't have any when it comes to reading reports.

"Facts not your opinion."

"If you're going to make a point back it up."

You probably won't even see the irony of your postings.

Mwah ha ha ha........

 

[Gerrydelasel]

You really have no idea whatsoever. Swiss spend more than us.

Yes, and they get more than us. Disproportionately more. Because their system is fundamentally better than ours. If we adopted their system but continued to spend the same amount that we do now, we would get more too, albeit not as much as the Swiss do, because they also spend more, as you redundantly point out. You really have no idea whatsoever. If you prefer, compare the NHS with somewhere like Finland or Spain which spend similar (or even less!) per capita and still get a better and more sustainable service than us.