No 10 and regulator contradict Hancock's 'because of Brexit' Covid vaccine claim

Brigadier said:
According to Worldometer, c. 100k new cases of CV yesterday (not including the UK).

Would it not be a good time for the 27 to break ranks, and expedite authorisation of a vaccine?
Or, is a united front preferable?
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It probably doesn't mean much. The Vaccine can sit in a freezer for a good old while and it just means the EU will get their X million in a slightly bigger lump.

A few days earlier is nice, but anything that looks like rushing something through without full testing is Anti-vaxxer cocaine. They do not deserve cocaine and are not pleasant if they get it.

Plus it gives them more time to sort out delivery. We're not going to be ready to use it at care homes, where it does the most good, for a while.
 
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SirGalahad said:
The EU allow national approval of specific drugs and vaccines in the case of emergencies. What the German Health Minister says actually proves the point you are wrong.

27 could go one way and one could go another -we were part of the EU and kept Sterling.
Your are wrong as usual. The changes we made had no bearing.
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No, you're wrong, the 27 agreed to take a common approach, as stated by The German health minister.

“All 27 member states will have access to vaccines at the same time otherwise some member states may have have been able to procure vaccines at an earlier stage that others”

“We have member states including, Germany, who could have issued such an emergency authorisation if we’d wanted to. But we decided against this and what we opted for was a common European approach to move forward together.”

A large part of the '27's' decision on the 'common approach' was based on ambiguity in the 'temporary' vaccine approval the EU law grants.

The laws introduced in UK takes away any ambibiguity and ensures vaccines 'temporarily authorised' under the EU directive are in the UK treated the same as fully licensed products.

Consultation document: changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

The Human Medicines (Coronavirus and Influenza) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 (legislation.gov.uk)

Listen, UK is the first country in Europe to roll out the vaccine. If you want to see that as a victory for the EU, crack on mate, keep the entertainment coming.
 
SirGalahad said:
The EU allow national approval of specific drugs and vaccines in the case of emergencies. What the German Health Minister says actually proves the point you are wrong.

27 could go one way and one could go another -we were part of the EU and kept Sterling.
Your are wrong as usual. The changes we made had no bearing.
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No, you're wrong, the 27 agreed to take a common approach, as stated by The German health minister.

“All 27 member states will have access to vaccines at the same time otherwise some member states may have have been able to procure vaccines at an earlier stage that others”

“We have member states including, Germany, who could have issued such an emergency authorisation if we’d wanted to. But we decided against this and what we opted for was a common European approach to move forward together.”

A large part of the '27's' decision on the 'common approach' was based on ambiguity in the 'temporary' vaccine approval the EU law grants.

The laws introduced in UK takes away any ambibiguity and ensures vaccines 'temporarily authorised' under the EU directive are in the UK treated the same as fully licensed products.

Consultation document: changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

The Human Medicines (Coronavirus and Influenza) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 (legislation.gov.uk)

Listen, UK is the first country in Europe to roll out the vaccine. If you want to see that as a victory for the EU, crack on mate, keep the entertainment coming.
 
Brigadier said:
Would it not be a good time for the 27 to break ranks, and expedite authorisation of a vaccine?
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Temporary authorisation, and no, breaking ranks is verboten, and don't forget, all 27 need to get it at the same time otherwise it's just not cricket.
 
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fillyboy said:
If you want to see that as a victory for the EU
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It certainly is, the Oxford vaccine is being manufactured in Belgium.

Aren't we lucky to have such a technologically advanced trade partner on our doorstep with rapid supply chains.

It's a good example of why leaving the SM makes no sense.

"Worlds biggest Customs Union on our doorstep"!

Nah says Fillyboy, we want to have massive trade friction with that.
 
IT Minion said:
. The Vaccine can sit in a freezer for a good old while and it just means the EU will get their X million in a slightly bigger lump.
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And with each passing day, another 100k get the virus.
How many of those will suffer ongoing complications, or even die?
Certainly, "delay" has been used as a stick to beat this lot with a few times already in this pandemic.
 
fillyboy said:
No, you're wrong, the 27 agreed to take a common approach, as stated by The German health minister.

“All 27 member states will have access to vaccines at the same time otherwise some member states may have have been able to procure vaccines at an earlier stage that others”

“We have member states including, Germany, who could have issued such an emergency authorisation if we’d wanted to. But we decided against this and what we opted for was a common European approach to move forward together.”

A large part of the '27's' decision on the 'common approach' was based on ambiguity in the 'temporary' vaccine approval the EU law grants.

The laws introduced in UK takes away any ambibiguity and ensures vaccines 'temporarily authorised' under the EU directive are in the UK treated the same as fully licensed products.

Consultation document: changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

The Human Medicines (Coronavirus and Influenza) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 (legislation.gov.uk)

Listen, UK is the first country in Europe to roll out the vaccine. If you want to see that as a victory for the EU, crack on mate, keep the entertainment coming.
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If you like quoting the German Health Minister then do try to be accurate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-public-confidence-in-vaccine-says-eu-agency

Germany’s health minister, Jens Spahn, said Berlin had also considered the fast-track authorisation chosen by the UK and allowed under EU law, but the task of convincing people of the safety of vaccines was crucial.


“The idea is not that we’re the first, but the idea is to have safe and effective vaccines in the pandemic and that we can create confidence, and nothing is more important than confidence with respect to vaccines,” he said.

Bojo and Hancock are desperate for a win and to politicise this. The fact they planned to put Union Flags on the AZ vaccine to politicise the whole thing shows just how morally bankrupt this lot are.

Now the idiot Education Secretary weighs in. I thought after our covid comparisons went south it was not useful to make country comparisons but now it is? What a bunch of shysters.
 
IT Minion said:
It probably doesn't mean much. The Vaccine can sit in a freezer for a good old while and it just means the EU will get their X million in a slightly bigger lump.

A few days earlier is nice, but anything that looks like rushing something through without full testing is Anti-vaxxer cocaine. They do not deserve cocaine and are not pleasant if they get it.

Plus it gives them more time to sort out delivery. We're not going to be ready to use it at care homes, where it does the most good, for a while.
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Excatly.

“The idea is not that we’re the first, but the idea is to have safe and effective vaccines in the pandemic and that we can create confidence, and nothing is more important than confidence with respect to vaccines,” he said.
 
Brigadier said:
And with each passing day, another 100k get the virus.
How many of those will suffer ongoing complications, or even die?
Certainly, "delay" has been used as a stick to beat this lot with a few times already in this pandemic.
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Roughly 1,000 dead. Of course the Vaccine wouldn't save those 100k, it'd be some of the 100,000 that would be catching it in a month or so.

But it's not a case of fewer jabs, it's a delay. I don't know how you'd work out the effects of a delay but id be surprised if it were huge.

Moving with deliberation is different to delay, moving fast and ineffectively isnt always the quickest.

We'll probably see in a month or two if the EUs approach is much worse than ours or better.
 
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SirGalahad said:
Bojo and Hancock are desperate for a win and to politicise this. The fact they planned to put Union Flags on the AZ vaccine to politicise the whole thing shows just how morally bankrupt this lot are.
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What's wrong with putting the UK flag on a vaccine that was developed in this country?

Do you think there is something wrong with being proud of our country?

Do you think there is something wrong with being proud of the fact that we've developed a low cost vaccine that can be much more easily deployed around the world than the alternates and that its being offered at cost and want to promote that fact around the world?
 
Lower said:
What's wrong with putting the UK flag on a vaccine that was developed in this country?

Do you think there is something wrong with being proud of our country? Do you think there is something wrong with the fact that we've developed a low cost vaccine that can be much more easily deployed around the world and that its being offered at cost and want to promote that fact around the world?
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Politicising it to get some cheap headlines only goes to lower people confidence in vaccines as well as show how pathetic this Government is.

By the way the AZ vaccine is not ready and may never get licensing in the US - I suggest you read up on the facts of how they have botched part of this up and are now going to start new Global trials.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ovid-19-vaccine-results-stand-up-to-scrutiny/

As to offered at cost - that's until an arbitary date set by AZ - they can call when the pandemic is over.
 
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