NZ Gun Law
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SammyInnit
because you're missing the point.
Yes there are fewew people killed in the UK with guns than there are in the US, that is not to say murder doesn't happen in the UK because guns aren't as easily availible. Other methods take their place.
The rate in which people are killed is slowed by using as BAS said, knives over guns.
In any event, when did laws 'preventing access' to guns stop those intent from doing so anyway?
39k knife crimes in the UK last year yet there are laws against it.
There are plenty of gun owners in the UK, they're not all criminals.
Sammy refuses to deal with the highly pertinent question
because a true answer will show him to be a buffoon.
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SammyInnit
So tell me, how would have tighter gun restrictions prevented this from happening?
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well come on then
Tell me, how many people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States in the last ten years?
And how many people have been killed in mass shootings in the United Kindom in the last ten years?
Tell me, how many people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States in the last ten years?
And how many people have been killed in mass shootings in the United Kindom in the last ten years?
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SammyInnit
I have no idea. Again you're missing the point.
Banning guns doesn't stop mass murder.
That said, considering we're talking about NZ you should bare those numbers in mind, last 'mass shooting' was 1997 yet their gun laws are extremely relaxed.
Sammy really, really doesn't want to answer because the truth will undermine the position he has taken up.
Now he is claiming to have taken up his position in ignorance, and is claiming that he has not looked deeper when challenged.
I wonder if that's really true.
perhaps he is Donald Trump.
Now he is claiming to have taken up his position in ignorance, and is claiming that he has not looked deeper when challenged.
I wonder if that's really true.
perhaps he is Donald Trump.
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SammyInnit
Perhaps you should make some points of your own to refute my position that is banning guns doesn't prevent mass murder.
masse shootings in the USA appear to be way of life ? virtually every other week or so it seems ?
There was a masse shooting in a high school in Brazil last week 10 dead
the perpertators were said to have been inspired by the columbine school massacre ??
There was a masse shooting in a high school in Brazil last week 10 dead
the perpertators were said to have been inspired by the columbine school massacre ??
You've already said that your position is based on ignorance of the facts.
when you've answered my question, we can see what else you have to say for yourself.
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SammyInnit
OK I compete [not very well at present] by shooting a single shot bolt action rifle, I shoot at targets, not things.
I am more that happy to jump through all the "legal" hoops and home visits by non-uniformed Firearms police officers to be able to pursue my chosen sport.
The laws in this country are fairly tight, as we all know, there have indeed been massacres in this country, but fair play to the authorities they are really trying to prevent such actions, generally carried out by somewhat unstable persons, to try to prevent this at regular frequency within the shooting fraternity the governing bodies send out reminders to keep an eye on a ll fellow shooters, after all if you were shooting would be entirely comfortable on the firing point with someone who was considered unstable?
What i do not like is the rise in this country of "militaristic" looking / inspired looking rifles, the AR15 seems to be popular, in the favoured caliber of 0.22
Even "Air Weapons" are regularly appearing as an AR15" lookalike"
What annoys me is every time there is a serious gun related issue, generally by an un registered person gun controls are clamored for to be tightened up even in this country.
In Scotland we even have to apply for a "License" to own and shoot any sort of an Air Weapon, this is the result of a drug addict obtaining access to a rifle, discharging said weapon and killing a child. As an aside such legislation IS in the pipeline for England and Wales, brexit kicked that into the long grass
Licensing was introduced up here even although "gun related Crime" was falling result a load of money spent and a load of Air Weapon shooters financially penalised
Now the sting in the tale.
How many druggies that have access to an Air Weapon will bother about a License? how many gang members will apply for a Firearms Certificate or Shotgun license so they can undertake their nefarious activities with a very, very lethal weapon, including Air Weapons?
As far as i am concerned i will keep on complying in full with whatever legislation comes up, I like my shooting competitions
As far as the UK is concerned the Semi-Auto military style Jennie is not out the bottle, but that cannot be said about many, many other countries, the USA for starters, yes it is possible [I believe] to modify the present UK Legal Semis [generally 0.22 so called "Ruger 10 / 22] to fire off the entire mag with one squeeze of the trigger. I have never heard of a problem with such UK Legal weapons.
Ken
I am more that happy to jump through all the "legal" hoops and home visits by non-uniformed Firearms police officers to be able to pursue my chosen sport.
The laws in this country are fairly tight, as we all know, there have indeed been massacres in this country, but fair play to the authorities they are really trying to prevent such actions, generally carried out by somewhat unstable persons, to try to prevent this at regular frequency within the shooting fraternity the governing bodies send out reminders to keep an eye on a ll fellow shooters, after all if you were shooting would be entirely comfortable on the firing point with someone who was considered unstable?
What i do not like is the rise in this country of "militaristic" looking / inspired looking rifles, the AR15 seems to be popular, in the favoured caliber of 0.22
Even "Air Weapons" are regularly appearing as an AR15" lookalike"
What annoys me is every time there is a serious gun related issue, generally by an un registered person gun controls are clamored for to be tightened up even in this country.
In Scotland we even have to apply for a "License" to own and shoot any sort of an Air Weapon, this is the result of a drug addict obtaining access to a rifle, discharging said weapon and killing a child. As an aside such legislation IS in the pipeline for England and Wales, brexit kicked that into the long grass
Licensing was introduced up here even although "gun related Crime" was falling result a load of money spent and a load of Air Weapon shooters financially penalised
Now the sting in the tale.
How many druggies that have access to an Air Weapon will bother about a License? how many gang members will apply for a Firearms Certificate or Shotgun license so they can undertake their nefarious activities with a very, very lethal weapon, including Air Weapons?
As far as i am concerned i will keep on complying in full with whatever legislation comes up, I like my shooting competitions
As far as the UK is concerned the Semi-Auto military style Jennie is not out the bottle, but that cannot be said about many, many other countries, the USA for starters, yes it is possible [I believe] to modify the present UK Legal Semis [generally 0.22 so called "Ruger 10 / 22] to fire off the entire mag with one squeeze of the trigger. I have never heard of a problem with such UK Legal weapons.
Ken
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SammyInnit
Mass shootings by definition is more common in the states compared to say the Phillipines or Russia but the homicide rate isn't even in the top 20 by country.
In 2016 the USA placed 90th by rate of homicide by population at 5.35 per 100k.
For the Same year Mexico placed 20th at 19.26.
El Salvador placed 1st at 82.84.
New Zealand placed 188th at 0.94.
Makes me think it's less to do with gun ownership laws and more to do with the attitudes of criminals.
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