Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

Actually there are a new set of rules about disconnecting and fitting pre payment which ever type of meter is fitted. In some cases it wont happen. In some others not during certain times of the year.

 
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Actually there are a new set of rules about disconnecting and fitting pre payment which ever type of meter is fitted. In some cases it wont happen. In some others not during certain times of the year.

Yes, I think I've mentioned it on a number of occasions. It's come about since the energy companies got into trouble, using over zealous debt agencies forcing pre-pay onto vulnerable folk. OFGEM paused the practice (switching analogue meters to prepay) in their efforts to clarify what can and can't be done.

Biking from the boatyard posted a link to the practice, mistakenly claiming it was remote SM switching, lol.

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I'm surprised you've agreed

It's the point that's been made all along.

The processes leading up to

Took you a while, but well done.. actually cutting them off is, or may be, different
you struggling with what has been actually said then or struggling to understand the difference in processes to within 1 second of meter going off
 
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you struggling with what has been actually said then or struggling to understand the difference in processes to within 1 second of meter going off
No it's pretty simple

Processes leading Up To.

Any of that you need further help with ?

We are not talking about actual disconnection, just ..... The processes leading up to
 
I take it all the I don't want a smart meter because they can't be shut off remotely and don't need a warrant lot are just fiddling the leccy and gas so the rest of us pay more.

That would seem to be a fair assumption to make, because none of them have fielded any other valid reasons, that stand up to serious scrutiny.
I have presented valid reasons*, and it's an insult to suggest the only reason for not accepting smart meters as they are currently done in the UK is due to dishonesty. I assume no apology will be forthcoming for that insult though ...

* For example, suppliers mixing up people/addresses/meter numbers/whatever and remotely switching the wrong meter to pre-pay - meaning that the occupiers in the property do not know until the lecky and/or gas goes off when the credit runs out. The suppliers don't consider this a disconnection since as far as they are concerned it's the end users' fault for not putting credit on. But if the occupiers don't know they've been switched, they wouldn't know they need to do that - so the effect is that they've been disconnected by the supplier (in the cases I've read about, not their own supplier).
And then you get the problem that if they do try and add some credit, "system says no" as the details don't tie up (they aren't, according to the system, the account owner; the meter number is wrong, system says meter is not pre-pay; whatever).

And a suggestion that this is no more likely with a SM than with a dumb one is bul... rubbish. Unless the team sent round to deal with a dumb meter are particularly good at breaking in without leaving a trace (some mention coming home from holiday to find the locks changed in their own house), and they come when you are not around, and no neighbours notice strangers breaking in and tip you off - only if all those are true could you find your dumb meter switched without you knowing. If it's a smart meter, the pre-switch letters could have been going to an address at the other end of the country - but your meter gets switched because of errors in the system.
And anyone who claims such data errors don't exist is ... deluded.


And in any case, when enough SMs are installed, and unless we manage to get a government that's not afraid of it's own shadow when it comes to actually doing nuclear properly, sooner or later will will be back to the 70s - but with the rolling switch-offs done at the meter level rather than the distribution network. I suspect it'll be politically easier to justify if they can trot out "assurances" that vulnerable people won't get cut off and stuff like that. Yes, I already have UPS on key equipment, and a genny, and at some point (when I get around to it) the facility to use said genny without needing a widowmaker.
That's nothing to do with bad credit ratings, debt, or alleged dishonesty.
 
And a suggestion that this is no more likely with a SM than with a dumb one is bul... rubbish
Nonsense.

Nor do you have any evidence to the contrary. Nor can you provide any evidence to the contrary. Including your fact free, link free, anecdotal rich, posts. However, this robustly stands.....
The truth....

Disconnection is rare.

The processes leading up to disconnection are the same for both meters.

You are no more likely to be disconnected or switched with either meter.
Suck it up.
 
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No it's pretty simple

Processes leading Up To.

Any of that you need further help with ?

We are not talking about actual disconnection, just ..... The processes leading up to
no pretty simple the process is actually right up till the gas actually goes off what bit of that are you struggling with ?
 
no pretty simple the process is actually right up till the gas actually goes off what bit of that are you struggling with ?
It's not me that's struggling is it.

You seem to be confusing ... The processes leading up to... with the actual cutting off, which is the RESULT of those processes.

Do you agree the process leading UPTO disconnection is the same? If not, how is that process (leading up to ) different ?
 
I have presented valid reasons*, and it's an insult to suggest the only reason for not accepting smart meters as they are currently done in the UK is due to dishonesty. I assume no apology will be forthcoming for that insult though ...

Sorry, but you haven't presented any valid reasons, that I could see. All I have heard is suspicious nonsense, to explain reluctance to have a SM.

I would be the first to agree, and have said so several times - that the government has made an incredible mess of the move to SM, but that doesn't detract from their overall, eventual value - to both the network, and the customers.

* For example, suppliers mixing up people/addresses/meter numbers/whatever and remotely switching the wrong meter to pre-pay - meaning that the occupiers in the property do not know until the lecky and/or gas goes off when the credit runs out. The suppliers don't consider this a disconnection since as far as they are concerned it's the end users' fault for not putting credit on. But if the occupiers don't know they've been switched, they wouldn't know they need to do that - so the effect is that they've been disconnected by the supplier (in the cases I've read about, not their own supplier).

Suppliers have always mixed up people/addresses, their meters, and got meter readings wrong - what's new?

And in any case, when enough SMs are installed, and unless we manage to get a government that's not afraid of it's own shadow when it comes to actually doing nuclear properly, sooner or later will will be back to the 70s - but with the rolling switch-offs done at the meter level rather than the distribution network.

I agree, but given that the generation is what it is, SM's at least can help mitigate that issue. Even if it comes to disconnecting customers, due to lack of generation, better than the can at least leave vulnerable customers on, which cutting off the supplies temporarily, to those where it would be less of a problem. Much better than simple turning an entire area off.
 
It's not me that's struggling is it.

You seem to be confusing ... The processes leading up to... with the actual cutting off, which is the RESULT of those processes.

Do you agree the process leading UPTO disconnection is the same? If not, how is that process (leading up to ) different ?
no you are struggling the process is right up to the actual conclusion which is either a button press or manually turn off of the ecv do keep up
 
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