Paris lockdown to prevent third Covid wave.

[Notch7]

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Brexit is not of interest in Europe, its last years news.

 

[Mottie]

Brexit is not of interest in Europe, its last years news.

 

[EddieM]

That is certainly true.

It's hard to know whether that has influenced messaging.


I actually think because the UK govt started so badly with its herd immunity approach, with amongst e worst economic and death figures, it has spurred it into throwing everything at vaccine procurement and rollout.

We should be grateful this govt has succeeded in vaccines as otherwise we would be facing a crippling 3rd wave.

England specifically is also the 2nd most densely populated large country formerly in the EU

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I don't think you can really make a case for that, look at the timeline.

Timelines are not the only evidential consideration. There is a lot of information that is only available by substantial investigative journalism.

As you said, UK was struggling and threw everything at a vaccine development. UK expects to pay £11.1 Billion on vaccines. The majority of that was a gamble with taxpayers money. Imagine if there had been little return. Only a small fraction of that was for purchase of vaccines.

Of the £11.7bn that the UK expects to spend on its vaccination programme, £2.9bn buys vaccines,
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Additionally, it would appear that AZ have given the UK deliveries higher priority because UK paid more per vaccine.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is much cheaper, although neither the UK nor the US can match the EU’s $2.15 deal: they are expecting to pay about $3 and $4, respectively, per dose.
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Yet much has been made of AZ selling its vaccine at cost, but South Africa paid double price for the AZ vaccine

South Africa’s government found itself on the defensive this week after a senior health official revealed that 1.5 million doses of the Oxford and AstraZeneca vaccine just purchased for use among health workers would cost $5.25 (£3.84; €4.32) a dose, more than twice what the European Union is paying at $2.15.
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The explanation given is due to the investment in R&D for the vaccine:

“The explanation we were given for why other high-income countries have a lower price is that they have invested in the [research and development], hence the discount,” he added.
That principle has also been applied to the biggest players. The EU financially supported the development of the BioNTech and Pfizer vaccine and has obtained a lower price per dose ($14.70 than the US ($19.50).
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By that logic EU must have invested twice as much as others, including UK, into the AZ R&D.

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Additionally, AZ, although claim to be providing the vaccine at cost during the pandemic, reserve the right to decide when that pandemic is over, and they will then increase their prices.

AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson have committed to not making a profit from the pandemic, while Moderna and Pfizer did not. AstraZeneca reserved the right, however, to declare the pandemic phase over and take profits from later vaccine sales.
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As I said, there is a lot on information that is being repeated, but there is much that is not available in the public arena.

 

[transam]

Blame the French for this vaccine caper

that scoundrel macron promoted fake news about the oxford jab

deliberately so as to excuse his b***s up and being asleep on the job

he will go the way of all the other french presidents

investigated for corruption
Bribary
And other skullduggery whilst in office

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Blame the French for this vaccine caper

that scoundrel macron promoted fake news about the oxford jab

deliberately so as to excuse his b***s up and being asleep on the job

he will go the way of all the other french presidents

investigated for corruption
Bribary
And other skullduggery whilst in office

I can understand your hatred of anything French. (and the Romanians, the Chinese, the Iranians, etc)
It would be normal for children to learn the bigotry of their close relatives.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

transam's hatred for all things French is legendary, as his hatred of all things foreign.

 

[durhamplumber]

I think many under-estimate the intelligence of their European counterparts.

Lmao....Top Humour.

 

[durhamplumber]

transam's hatred for all things French is legendary, as his hatred of all things foreign.
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Nothing compared to your UK treachery.

 

[Mottie]

transam's hatred for all things French is legendary, as his hatred of all things foreign.
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What do you get when you search Bobby Dazzler U.K. posts?

 

[durhamplumber]

We should be grateful this govt has succeeded in vaccines

Steady on Notch ...Steady Lad.

 

[securespark]

Didn't VdL admit as much?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Lmao....Top Humour.

Nothing compared to your UK treachery.

Steady on Notch ...Steady Lad.

More proof that dumberplum is incapable of original thought, or constructive argument.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What do you get when you search Bobby Dazzler U.K. posts?

It depends on your criteria.

Mottie: "What do I get when I search?"
Me: "What are you searching for?"
Mottie: "I don't know. I'm just searching."

Me: "Where are you searching?"
Mottie: "His UK posts."
Me: "This is a UK site. The majority of posts will be about UK. Do you mean his posts in UK, or his posts about UK?"
Mottie: "I don't know, I'm just searching."

 

[durhamplumber]

More proof that dumberplum is incapable of original thought, or constructive argument.

Imitation...Sincerest form of Flattery.Thankyou Dangler.