People moaned about university fees under the Tory’s….

[Koolpc]

But we were told that Labour were different, by labour, weren’t we?

They all say roughly the same.

 

[Mottie]

They all say roughly the same.

So what you are saying is that Labour are, in reality, no different. That’s going to come as a punch in the guts for quite a few members on here.

 

[Notch7]

All politicians either lie or change their minds. Its part of being an MP.

reducing it to a binary argument makes it meaninlgess

the "all politicians lie" is used as an excuse to make it seem every politician is the same

there is no equivalence between Starmer and Boris the liar

 

[Notch7]

But we were told that Labour were different, by labour, weren’t we?

Labour are different

they warned this budget would be hard and it is

no lie

 

[Notch7]

Yes, but in a fair way, not picking on the poorest and letting all the rich except those with private jets pay more

which is what Labour have done

CGT -tax on the rich
farming IHT tax changes -tax on the rich

 

[motorbiking]

Labour are different

they warned this budget would be hard and it is

no lie

before they were elected?

 

[denso13]

Lots of people warned how difficult it would be,

Next five years will be ‘most difficult period’ for a parliament 'since Second World War', IFS warns

The next five years will be the hardest period for a parliament and chancellor since the Second World War, the IFS has warned.

www.lbc.co.uk

The 2024 Budget is a trap for Labour

Tax cuts during a pre-election Budget make party-political sense. They ensure some electoral support and create constraints that a new government will find hard to overturn. Tony Blair and Gordon B…

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Jeremy Hunt’s scorched earth budget

The UK chancellor is kicking every difficult decision beyond the general election.

www.politico.eu

 

[motorbiking]

which of the above were Labour policy makers?

 

[Notch7]

before they were elected?

Yes

 

[motorbiking]

let us know where:

Labour Party Manifesto 2024: Our plan to change Britain – The Labour Party

Labour's manifesto for the 2024 General Election is here, and sets out our fully-funded plan to change Britain.

labour.org.uk

not here.

 

[Murdochcat]

which is what Labour have done

Really

CGT -tax on the rich

So you are saying only rich people pay CGT - wrong

farming IHT tax changes -tax on the rich

Screwing the poor family owned farms more like

This one will get changed massively after consultation, as will the pensions being included in estates

 

[fillyboy]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news...ll-pretty-good-value-for-money-20241105252277

NINE and a half grand to spend a year hanging out with your mates in the prime of your youth is still a good deal, students have been told.

Undergraduates have been urged to overlook the minor matter of yet another tuition fee U-turn by bastards to focus on £9,535 a year being a fair price for a year of hard partying with the possibility of higher-paid employment afterwards.

Education secretary Bridget Phillipson said: “You’re living with your mates. Your body can withstand multiple benders five nights a week. Weed dealers make house calls. Either way you slice it, this jacked-up rate’s still a bargain.

“If you’re smart and chose a BA, you’ve got a maximum eight hours of contact time a week. The rest of it’s your own to go absolutely f**king hogwild with, and believe me I did.

“When you’re in the real world, nine and a half grand can’t even get you on the property ladder. Yet here you are getting a degree and a yeast infection from some random fresher. That’s living.

“Yes, it used to be free. So did squatting in central London. But compare it to living at home and working at Domino’s and we should be charging you double, because that’s what this experience is worth.”

17-year-old Tom Booker said: “Three years of non-stop casual sex and recreational drug use and the only downside is a lifetime of crippling debt? Where do I sign?”

 

[ajohn]

let us know where:

Our fiscal rules are that:

• The current budget moves into balance, so that day-to-day costs are met by revenues
• Debt must be falling as a share of the economy by the fifth year of the forecast.

Strong foundations – The Labour Party

A Labour government would put country before party with strong foundations of national security, secure borders and economic stability.

labour.org.uk

Our fiscal rules are non-negotiable and will apply to every decision taken by a Labour government. This means that the current budget must move into balance, so that day-to-day costs are met by revenues and debt must be falling as a share of the economy by the fifth year of the forecast.

Then the contentious element headed by this heading
We have not allocated all additional revenue to potential spending. This is a prudent approach in line with our commitment to economic stability.
Policies not listed here will be funded from existing budgets or do not have a cost.

Labour's fiscal plan – The Labour Party

All of Labour's 2024 manifesto plans are fully costed and fully funded.

labour.org.uk

Now the black hole has to be considered. I achieved a better understanding of the fiscal rules from C4 news. Well before the election. It discussed the budget surplus aspect - £16b being reduced £10b. There has been little argument about a £10b5 black hole and yet more has been found. That wipes out the surplus. Then comes pay review bodies - we have them, assume they cost so take notice of them or not? Well hospital people are generally dedicated but screw down their pay for ever? It wont work out and didn't. Lots of the population has had over inflation level pay rises anyway.

So Labour fall back on exactly what they said they would - the fiscal rules. Pay rises collect more tax. Some say just reverse the NI cut but they said they wouldn't so haven't.

The other point to note that figures now often relate to totals over the 5 year planning period. We have a hell of a welfare budget that will continue to increase over a number of years - probably even beyond the 5 year period. Retirement figures in this also the shrinking workforce.

In 3years Labour need to recheck the sums. I wonder what would have happened if the Tory remained in and did that?

 

[ajohn]

NINE and a half grand to spend a year hanging out with your mates in the prime of your youth is still a good deal, students have been told.

The Uni people would like to see a return to the gov paying a proportion. Maybe you should look at when that changed - also the tax penalty to cover it.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

there is no equivalence between Starmer and Boris the liar

You're right. Starmer is much better at lying. Doris was too obvious.