Periodic Inspection Reports and Employment Tribunal

[Joe Malone]

Think you're absolutely spot on with that last response Dingbat

 

[holmslaw]

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[dingbat]

And the 'appropriate certificate' would be a PIR.

And perhaps you should look up the difference between a certificate and a report.

The appropriate 'certificate' is an Electrical Installation Certificate or a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate.

The clue's in the name.

 

[Joe Malone]

Take your point entirely regarding interpretation but we have a fundamental disagreement. Some electricians are issuing another 'satisfactory' periodic and some think this is not required. At least for this discussion the weight of opinion is against you at the moment.

 

[dingbat]

Think you're absolutely spot on with that last response Dingbat

So someones told you what you wanted to hear.

Dingbat is teacher who has attended too many IET brain washing courses.

Dingbat is an independent soul who owes no allegiance to the IET and has never attended a single one of their courses.

He can, however, read and understand what many cannot.

 

[holmslaw]

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[dingbat]

There is no requirement in law to produce any paperwork whatsoever.

However there is a duty to maintain safe installations and if a risk of injury exists then an offence has been committed even if no actual injury is suffered. Without an identifiable risk, no offence has been committed.

In the event of any such offence there is a defence in law to show that all reasonable steps were taken to avoid the risk.

So without back-up paperwork, how do you prove you have acted safely and legally?

Duh-er! That's why it is in your own interest to keep such documentation. It still doesn't make it a requirement.

And no matter how many times you say something incorrect, it doesn't suddenly make it true.

 

[dingbat]

Well, as your rarely say anything constructive, how would anybody know.

Gosh, look at these glass walls! Now, if I could only find a stone...

 

[dingbat]

You are so boring, a PIR includes certification.

Ah, the ad hominem line again.

You're still wrong.

 

[holmslaw]

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[Adam_151]

an appropriate certificate should be issued to confirm that the remedial work has been carried out in accordance with BS 7671.'

And the 'appropriate certificate' would be a PIR.

A PIR can only be used to report on an existing installation (I beleive it says something like this on the top of the pad) , not to certify repairs to defects.

I have had my wrists metaphorically slapped in the past when I have stretched this by doing some repairs to an installation without MWC / EIC but and then PIRing it afterwards in order to acheive satsifactory.

The recognised procedure to to carry out a PIR first, noting the faults, and then do the repairs and issue certifiates for repair work after this has been carried out with the description of works box filled out with something like "Remedial works to IPN2/xxxxxx, items 2, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12 only. Including new DB and main bonding upgrades. Recommendation code 4 defects have not been corrected. Installation may now be considered as in satisfactory condition"

 

[viewer]

Don't know if it's any help, but, in your professional capacity you need to be able to prove 'due diligence' to any court of law. Due diligence is actually having two systems (all due care and all due diligence); the first is to see that something doesn't go wrong; the second system checks that the first system is working. I'd suggest that the PIR is itself a system to see that things don't go wrong (and would include remedial works and retest of some sort). The second part means having an audit trail of some kind to check that PIRs are being properly carried out, any remedial work done and all records being audited and reviews of the whole system being undertaken. A company without an audit trail and good record keeping cannot show due diligence.