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Also whats with the yellow with a bit of g/y tape on it, is that being used as an earth wire? :eek: As far as having poke-able live bits -that was the main issue with last week's wasn't it? (although in this one they look a lot less poke-able*)

Yes, lack of correct sleeving (and g/y it seems)!

The thing is, once a cover is removed from a consumer unit or distribution board you must expect to be met with live parts if you choose not to isolate the supply to it.
By not isolating the supply before removal of covers you're in breech of the Electricity At Work Regulations, a statutory document.

Work on or near live conductors

14. No person shall be engaged in any work activity on or so near any live conductor (other than one suitably covered with insulating material so as to prevent danger) that danger may arise unless-

(a) it is unreasonable in all the circumstances for it to be dead; and
(b) it is reasonable in all the circumstances for him to be at work on or near it while it is live; and
(c) suitable precautions (including where necessary the provision of suitable protective equipment) are taken to prevent injury.
 
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Also whats with the yellow with a bit of g/y tape on it, is that being used as an earth wire?

Skenk you may have unknowingly cracked it there ;)

It was quite common with 3 core swa to use the Y as an earth
R was live
Y was earth
Blue was neutral

However there is no blue in the neutral bar.
So i am quessing the R and B are dogged in across two phases on one of the mcb's.


Alternatively there may be a 4 core
R and Blue across 1 or 2 phases
Y as earth
Black as neutral
 
It looks like the yellow conductor with minimal g/y tape comes from a banjo off the top of the DB.

The red and blue you're looking at also have a yellow conductor with them.
 
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Also whats with the yellow with a bit of g/y tape on it, is that being used as an earth wire? :eek: As far as having poke-able live bits -that was the main issue with last week's wasn't it? (although in this one they look a lot less poke-able*)

Yes, lack of correct sleeving (and g/y it seems)!

The thing is, once a cover is removed from a consumer unit or distribution board you must expect to be met with live parts if you choose not to isolate the supply to it.
By not isolating the supply before removal of covers you're in breech of the Electricity At Work Regulations, a statutory document.

Work on or near live conductors

14. No person shall be engaged in any work activity on or so near any live conductor (other than one suitably covered with insulating material so as to prevent danger) that danger may arise unless-

(a) it is unreasonable in all the circumstances for it to be dead; and
(b) it is reasonable in all the circumstances for him to be at work on or near it while it is live; and
(c) suitable precautions (including where necessary the provision of suitable protective equipment) are taken to prevent injury.

I think you should read Regulation 14 again. Then read the Memorandum of Guidance for the EWR - either version. Start with paragraph 8 in the first version, or paragraph 208 onwards in the new version.

Then review your safe isolation procedures (which ever one you use). You will find that it does not ensure safety in all circumstances. This means that you can end up exposed to live conductors anyway :eek: enjoy :D.
 
I don't have a copy of the Memorandum of Guidance for the EAWR but will order one. It looks interesting and by all accounts I probably should have a copy anyway.

But, in a nutshell and for the benefit of others, what are you getting at?
 
Basically that the HSE accept that 'working on or near live conductors' includes testing. They also accept that some testing can only be carried out with when the equipment is live.

However, the assessment and precautions required by Regulation 14 still apply.

So looking at each requirement -
"(a) it is unreasonable in all the circumstances for it to be dead"

Yes because you cannot conduct certain tests when the equipment is dead. These would include the measurement of loop impedance, voltage and load current when required.

"(b) it is reasonable in all the circumstances for him to be at work on or near it while it is live."

Yes provided the person carrying out the work is competent, has proper equipment and follows safe working practices.

"(c) suitable precautions (including where necessary the provision of suitable protective equipment) are taken to prevent injury."

Answered above.

Now this is not a justification for all work on or near live conductors, and it is certainly not a justification for work that involves manipulating live conductors. Testing using proper equipment can be carried out in a safe manner. However, it is most unlikely that moving a live conductor can be carried out safely in all but the the most specialised operations (live line working or similar).

As to the so called safe isolation procedures - there are a number of scenarios that can be put forward to show that they are inadequate. They all involve the unexpected re-energising of a circuit or item of equipment after work on it has begun.

Many of these would be very rare occurrences, but one stands out when working on installations. This is the borrowed neutral between two distribution boards, masked by a neutral to earth fault.

Suppose you are tasked to find a neutral to earth fault on a distribution board that has been 'isolated'. If you are not wary (which basically means that you work as if the board is live at all times) the first you will know of it is the pain you will experience in the last few seconds of your life :eek:.
 
hi RF,

you must be the most unlucky spark i know. Almost everywhere you go, someone has knicked the lids off your boxes.

I wonder if you have a garage/garden shed full of them :)
 
I don't have a copy of the Memorandum of Guidance for the EAWR but will order one. It looks interesting and by all accounts I probably should have a copy anyway.

But, in a nutshell and for the benefit of others, what are you getting at?

Clicky here for a free pdf download.
 
Yeah the 3 browns entering from the bottom left looks well dodgy!

The three brown wires supply a 20A switch fuse next to the DB which supplies an overhead busbar for a crane.


Rf camera work getting rough lately :)


My apologies. I've been caught without my camera a couple of times, so had to use my iPhone :cry:


hi RF,

you must be the most unlucky spark i know. Almost everywhere you go, someone has knicked the lids off your boxes.

I wonder if you have a garage/garden shed full of them :)


I remove the lid to do an inspection and loop measurements, and take a photo while the cover is off.

It would make for a boring picture if the covers were on :LOL:
 
They might still comply with the regs size wise if they comply with the adiabatic equation for fault current. It looks rough tho.
The new colours should also be labelled up L1, L2, L3 etc.
Additional labelling that the new wiring isn't isolated by switching off the main isolator would also be advantageous.
 

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