Picture quiz

[RF Lighting]

I think it all depends on whether there is a drain in the floor or not.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But whats the difference between the ones in my examples, and the one in the OP's picture?

The ones in your picture/examples are not showers.

The one in the OP's picture is a shower.

Ignore what it might be used for, ignore what the installer or owner intended it to be used for, and just use your common sense.

Ask yourself "Is it a shower?" and "Is it in a room?"

From what I can see, the only way to use that 'shower' without causing some sort of flood, which would require mopping up, would be to direct the water flow into the basin.

Also the drain hole is not on the picture, sorry about that.

And if you'd asked for a basin with a hand-held shower head, and they provided that, would you think they'd provided what you'd asked for, or would you find yourself saying "You've put a shower in the corner, that's not what I asked for"?

So, IMO, even though the bit that squirts water is sold as a shower, when installed it this situation, it can't be used by someone to take a shower,

Yes it can. Even if it were to make a mess on the floor it is a shower.

A hairdressers basin is not a shower.

A kitchen pot washing station is not a shower.

and therefore it is no more a shower than the flexible pot washer in my picture above is.

It's a shower.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I think it all depends on whether there is a drain in the floor or not.

So if you were installing electrics in a room where they had got as far as installing the supply pipework, and had put an instant shower on the wall for you to connect up, but hadn't yet put the bath in, would you do your work as if the room was not a special location?

 

[chapeau]

If there is no drain in the floor then the shower contains a basin. The water has to drain somewhere.

Not all words are defined in part 2 of BS7671. For the others one generally uses a dictionary.

 

[VanSolo]

I snuck back and got some better photos. Sorry the first one didn't tell the full story.

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Thanks for all the input so far.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Looks like a set from a dodgy German pron film....

 

[ColJack]

definitely a shower area.. floor drain and the floor slopes towards it.. there is also a "flood strip" on the floor to keep the water on in the tiled area...

so that socket hass to go or the shower does..

bit of plumbing round to the sink for a basin sprayer and then it isn't a shower anymore..

 

[SparkyNinja]

Have to agree with ColJack on this one. It may not be used as a shower at the moment, but as long as it is a wet room with a functional shower it should be considered a wet room.

If I was asked to carry out this installation I would have had the shower removed.

Who's to say that someone doesn't use it in the future because of it's convenience irrespective of the risks.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's not the presence of a convenience which makes the room a special location...

 

[BS3036]

With regard to coding this as a 1:

Here is a picture of every bathroom in Germany:

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Close up on the socket:

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It's on a 16A radial, with an RCD, by the way.


It's hard to see how you can code this as an immediate danger, when it's standard practice in the rest of Europe.

 

[mattylad]

Hmm, wash hair in sink, sit on bog & have it dried while doing no2's

 

[RF Lighting]

Dry your bum while you're at it.

On holiday in Prague, in the hotel, they had a hair dryer which quite easily reached into the shower....

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's hard to see how you can code this as an immediate danger, when it's standard practice in the rest of Europe.

The suggestion was for a Code 1, requires urgent attention.

And therein lies the problem - why does it? Because it's dangerous, or because it's a flagrant breach of the regs?

Let's be honest - the lack of piles of dead Johnny Foreigners and wailing widows has shown for donkey's years that it was never dangerous.

If in the same room there was a live cable with bare ends dangling from the ceiling to head height above the shower, would the socket still be a "1"?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Dry your bum while you're at it.

On holiday in Prague, in the hotel, they had a hair dryer which quite easily reached into the shower....

Preening yourself prior to a visit to Big Sister were you?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Close up on the socket:

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Don't they have spirit levels in Germany?