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I’m looking for some advice on completing a stable block and hay barn that was granted planning permission back in the 90s. I’m on the outskirts of the Green Belt. The hay barn is exactly as per the original approval, but the stables/loose boxes have a couple of deviations from the original plans. They were started by the previous owner, and I’ve lived here for 20 years having not touched it till now.
The original owner put in the foundations, slab, drainage, and landscaping (now very mature), along with a few courses of bricks. I now want to finish the project but have some reservations about the deviations from the approved plans.
The slab is wider, and it looks like he did away with the planned overhang at the front, so the footprint is unchanged, but the depth of the loose boxes has increased from 4.5m to 6m. To accommodate this, the pitch of the roof also has to go up by about 0.7m, otherwise, it’s too shallow for the specified Kent Peg tiles. There are also no windows or rear access, which seems odd so planning on adding some or there’s no cross flow of air. Additionally, the metal framework for the hay barn door has been moved to the front from the side, which actually makes more sense. To clarify the ridge of the hay barn is 5.2m as per the slightly vague filed plans and the ridge of the stables has to go up from about 3.5m to 4.2m.
The build is completely out of public view, and none of my neighbours have any issues with it.
The council hasn’t published the discharged conditions on the portal, but I have notes and paperwork with their “received” stamp, showing that some conditions were dealt with at the time. When I submitted an enquiry, the archives team said they can’t locate anything more than the plan and the original permission for the site so they’ve definitely lost some important documents. I’m pretty sure these factors were discussed on site with the planners back then, as I have handwritten notes and letters about a brief enforcement threat about the timing of the landscaping that happened a year after the works started, so the width and frame would have been obvious if anyone had checked. There’s no finish date on the original permission, and it was started virtually straight away.
I don’t particularly want to ask the planning department for formal confirmation, because the work done so far is extensive, and I don’t want to risk having to dig it up or substantially change what’s there if they object.
So, the question is how likely are these to be an issue? Given that these are seemingly minor changes, would they even bother investigating, or would it likely be seen as a non-issue? It’s a bit of a weird one, but has anyone had experience with something similar or got any insight?
Much appreciated, and apologies for the detail.
Steve
I’m looking for some advice on completing a stable block and hay barn that was granted planning permission back in the 90s. I’m on the outskirts of the Green Belt. The hay barn is exactly as per the original approval, but the stables/loose boxes have a couple of deviations from the original plans. They were started by the previous owner, and I’ve lived here for 20 years having not touched it till now.
The original owner put in the foundations, slab, drainage, and landscaping (now very mature), along with a few courses of bricks. I now want to finish the project but have some reservations about the deviations from the approved plans.
The slab is wider, and it looks like he did away with the planned overhang at the front, so the footprint is unchanged, but the depth of the loose boxes has increased from 4.5m to 6m. To accommodate this, the pitch of the roof also has to go up by about 0.7m, otherwise, it’s too shallow for the specified Kent Peg tiles. There are also no windows or rear access, which seems odd so planning on adding some or there’s no cross flow of air. Additionally, the metal framework for the hay barn door has been moved to the front from the side, which actually makes more sense. To clarify the ridge of the hay barn is 5.2m as per the slightly vague filed plans and the ridge of the stables has to go up from about 3.5m to 4.2m.
The build is completely out of public view, and none of my neighbours have any issues with it.
The council hasn’t published the discharged conditions on the portal, but I have notes and paperwork with their “received” stamp, showing that some conditions were dealt with at the time. When I submitted an enquiry, the archives team said they can’t locate anything more than the plan and the original permission for the site so they’ve definitely lost some important documents. I’m pretty sure these factors were discussed on site with the planners back then, as I have handwritten notes and letters about a brief enforcement threat about the timing of the landscaping that happened a year after the works started, so the width and frame would have been obvious if anyone had checked. There’s no finish date on the original permission, and it was started virtually straight away.
I don’t particularly want to ask the planning department for formal confirmation, because the work done so far is extensive, and I don’t want to risk having to dig it up or substantially change what’s there if they object.
So, the question is how likely are these to be an issue? Given that these are seemingly minor changes, would they even bother investigating, or would it likely be seen as a non-issue? It’s a bit of a weird one, but has anyone had experience with something similar or got any insight?
Much appreciated, and apologies for the detail.
Steve
