Police shoot to kill ?

[Thermo]

i dont know what the intelligence was, but given the situation you have just chased him onto the tube and youve been told he is a suicide bomber he needs to be stopped, what would you do?

 

[joe-90]

they were convinced he was carrying a bomb so why did he get to the station? Lets imagine he had a bomb like you say, was the inteligence that good they could only pick him up when he arrived. He must of been watched if the inteligence were anything so why wasnt he shot as he left the house?

Because the armed response team arrived AFTER he had entered the staion.

The brave men that went down the tunnels after him probably thought they were going to their death. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you have done?

 

[jbonding]

i dont know what the intelligence was, but given the situation you have just chased him onto the tube and youve been told he is a suicide bomber he needs to be stopped, what would you do?

If i was an armed copper and was told that i would shoot to kill, regardless of the masons and other spooky goings on i would want to know afterwards why was i told to kill an innocent man .
like i said how did he end up getting to the tube if they thought for one minute he had a bomb?

 

[jbonding]

they were convinced he was carrying a bomb so why did he get to the station? Lets imagine he had a bomb like you say, was the inteligence that good they could only pick him up when he arrived. He must of been watched if the inteligence were anything so why wasnt he shot as he left the house?

Because the armed response team arrived AFTER he had entered the staion.
The brave men that went down the tunnels after him probably thought they were going to their death. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you have done?

did they get a tip off from a bloke in a pub

 

[Thermo]

ok but would you have done at the time?

 

[ellal]

i find it really strange that all the people who criticise the actions of the officers who shot him, never answer the simple question of what they would have done if faced with that set of circumstances. I am not talking about the commanders, the surveillance etc (because undoubtably something went wrong somewhere), but the actual officers who were informed he was a bomber, knew the risks and had to make a split second decision, based purely on the information avaliable to them at the time.

So what would you have done?

OK..

supposing I was given the intelligence that this guy was a possible suicide bomber, I would not have let him enter the tube (don't forget, we only have the word of the force that I arrived after - I can't prove either way, since the video is missing) - after all, that would have been his target!!

I would also not have executed him AFTER disabling him..

So, all those justifying the action have to answer this ...was I given the right information, and did I act correctly. The only way to check out those two vital points is either by a prosecution, or a proper independant enquiry - not a whitewash!!

Otherwise, I may feel emboldened to act the same way again, knowing that the chances of any consequences were minimal, and so would my colleagues!!

(I may even get a holiday for my 'heroics'.. )

 

[Agile]

There have been many cases in the UK of the Police shooting people for no good reason, probably more than those who have been shot justifyably.

The Police firearms officers have made it clear that they will refuse to carry firearms if any officers are prosecuted !

Both the Police and the CPS are aware of that and with the current terrorist threat neither can risk that situation. It was a purely political decision and obviously correct even though against natural justice.

The "fudge" whereby the Police are corporately charged but not any individual officers keeps the firearms officers on duty but satisfies the fact that it was a dramatic failure and must be seen to be dealt with.

Thermo was presumably either not firearms trained or received different training to my friend in Birmingham.

Tony

 

[jbonding]

There have been many cases in the UK of the Police shooting people for no good reason, probably more than those who have been shot justifyably.

The Police firearms officers have made it clear that they will refuse to carry firearms if any officers are prosecuted !
Both the Police and the CPS are aware of that and with the current terrorist threat neither can risk that situation. It was a purely political decision and obviously correct even though against natural justice.

The "fudge" whereby the Police are corporately charged but not any individual officers keeps the firearms officers on duty but satisfies the fact that it was a dramatic failure and must be seen to be dealt with.

Thermo was presumably either not firearms trained or received different training to my friend in Birmingham.

Tony

so in other words if you want to kill someone and get away with it join the Police firearms squad, and believe me there are psyco's in the police force like any other job but sometimes above the law.

 

[Agile]

This is a typical Policeman's attitude:-

"""I am a serving Police officer. Although I sympathise with the family in this tragic case we must give officers more protection. What we have in essence is a split second decision to shoot analysed with the benefit of hindsight over five years. I have noticed a real trend towards prosecuting officers any chance given. We are falling over ourselves to be seen to be fair whilst ignoring the effect this has the wellbeing of the officer involved and the moral of their colleagues."""

His attitude is that shooting a few people by mistake is fine as long as his colleagues moral is not affected by the chance of being prosecuted!

Not all police are bad minded towards us but just rather too many.

Its all too easy for the Police to shoot first, tell a few lies aboth the killing and when thats discovered hide the evidence!

When someone broke into my home at 0130 I did not shoot him, I called the police who took him away and released him without charge the next morning at 7 am.

Tony

 

[Softus]

So what would you have done?

OK..

supposing I was given the intelligence that this guy was a possible suicide bomber, I would not have let him enter the tube (don't forget, we only have the word of the force that I arrived after - I can't prove either way, since the video is missing) - after all, that would have been his target!!

So, you didn't like the question, and you've changed it to one that you're more comfortable in answering.

So, all those justifying the action have to answer this...

Do they? In that case I can make up a stupid rule as well - all those condemning the action have to answer Thermo's question, and not make up their own hypothetical scenarios to illustrate a badly thought out point.

 

[Softus]

When someone broke into my home at 0130 I did not shoot him, I called the police who took him away and released him without charge the next morning at 7 am.

...and he's now happily repairing PCBs in Watford.

 

[Slogger]

When someone broke into my home at 0130 I did not shoot him, I called the police who took him away and released him without charge the next morning at 7 am.

Tony[/quote]

you are joking i hope ? you let the scrote go and u didnt snap anything on him


you need to watch a cuppla episodes of south park the ones where they go hunting and need an excuse to defend themselves , it goes like this

LOOK OUT HES COMING RIGHT FOR US

to which you break said scrotes arm/leg / back / spirit

but please please dont make him tea and toast for cyring out loud hurt the thieving scum

 

[Softus]

the thieving scum

How do you know he was a burglar and not someone in need of some kind of help?

 

[joe-90]

the thieving scum

How do you know he was a burglar and not someone in need of some kind of help?

Try telling that to the Americans and their right to bear arms.

 

[hermes]

Try telling that to the Americans and their right to bear arms.

And what happens to the rest of the poor bear?