Pro-Palestine Protests

[Andydevon]

Ah bless John and his Jew hatred blinds him to the reality of war especially when the response is to a declaration of war from Hamas. Remember the Oct 7th atrocities that you refuse to condemn. Shame on you

 

[transam]

That's not a convincing excuse for Israel's destruction of Palestine.

What’s sir kiers view on this genocide ?

As some one ounce said

“Bad things happen when good men remain
silent”

Is he ignoring genocide ?

 

[ajohn]

Is he ignoring genocide ?

Accused of genocide but in need of further investigation and not by Starmer. The ICC are the people who get to decide on that.
Starmer's veiws relate to solutions and ceasefires.

 

[fillyboy]

Christ! 4000 women and nearly 8000 kids?

Barbaric.

The fella is a nutter if he thinks the killing is ok.

Almost a cause to celebrate

For some anyway

I suppose by killing the children, filly thinks they are neutralising the potential, thus deterring future terrorists.

Straight from the Nazism handbook.

I don't think that makes it ok. It doesn't have to be one or the other, Hamas were wrong in what they did but Israel have been even worse.

Any war is tragic, and in any war there will be civilian casualties.

It will be several years before the true casualty rate is established in Gaza, it will be lower, by how much no-one knows, but it will be lower. Already the figures are being modified after analysis by 'experts' found that some of the figures are plainly wrong and not possible.

The best estimates taking both sides figures into account say that for every 3 deaths, 2 were civilians, that puts the civilian death rate at 66%, which is awful. In the Iraq war the civilian death ratio was 77%,, that was the UK and USA btw.

In the Kosovo war (UK and USA under NATO), it;s more clouded, if Nato figures are to be believed, the civilian death ratio was almost zero, if the Yugoslavian figures are to be believed (and they were the ones being bombed by the Americans), the ratio is several times higher than Gaza. In the Syrian civil war, almost 800,000 people have been killed, not many of them were soldiers.

But hey guys, if these civvys aren't being killed by Jews, that's ok, isn't it?

 

[JohnD]

Silly Andy loves to claim that anyone who objects to racism, apartheid and genocide must be anti-Jewish.

His claim is obviously nonsense.

 

[fillyboy]

Silly Andy loves to claim that anyone who objects to racism, apartheid and genocide must be anti-Jewish.

His claim is obviously nonsense.

Can you point out examples of this 'racism, apartheid and genocide' that you refer to?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Any war is tragic, and in any war there will be civilian casualties.

It will be several years before the true casualty rate is established in Gaza, it will be lower, by how much no-one knows, but it will be lower. Already the figures are being modified after analysis by 'experts' found that some of the figures are plainly wrong and not possible.

The best estimates taking both sides figures into account say that for every 3 deaths, 2 were civilians, that puts the civilian death rate at 66%, which is awful. In the Iraq war the civilian death ratio was 77%,, that was the UK and USA btw.

In the Kosovo war (UK and USA under NATO), it;s more clouded, if Nato figures are to be believed, the civilian death ratio was almost zero, if the Yugoslavian figures are to be believed (and they were the ones being bombed by the Americans), the ratio is several times higher than Gaza. In the Syrian civil war, almost 800,000 people have been killed, not many of them were soldiers.

But hey guys, if these civvys aren't being killed by Jews, that's ok, isn't it?

Talk about missing the point. Not really something to celebrate, is it.

And figures usually go up, not down

 

[Justin Passing]

According to the IDF there are still some 4 or so Brigades of armed Hamas. That would be several thousand men, and they're still firing rockets at Israel. Hardly surprising the IDF won't stop. They still have tunnels to find, with arms and hostages in.
How do you deal with hidden tunnels? Bombing them seems obvious.

 

[denso13]

Any war is tragic, and in any war there will be civilian casualties.

Hitler's supporters no doubt said the same the same thing. Gaza has been reduced to rubble in an attempt to destroy Hamas, which they will never do.

 

[ajohn]

It will be several years before the true casualty rate is established in Gaza, it will be lower, by how much no-one knows, but it will be lower. Already the figures are being modified after analysis by 'experts' found that some of the figures are plainly wrong and not possible.

Rubbish any figure anybody comes up with can not compete with a true body count. External people can only come up with some theory or the other and for a variety of reasons it's likely to be biased one way or another. The US estimate is rather a lot higher of late than it used to be and determining the number of HAMAS killed is also rather tricky. The number of battalions in Rafar has gone up. I wonder why. If it really has that in itself is an interesting factor.

The US also thinks it's too high. Things change. Palestinians are far more likely to move when they are told to now.Thing were different earlier on. In fact if there is fuel and trucks around it's far more organised.

The Russians made use of the citizens unlikely to be in the streets factor. Israel is as well with one big difference. Hits on civilian buildings when there are likely to be the highest number of people in them. Problems with numbers. The US see a bombing of multi storey building as probably being a war crime. 100 deaths reported. Well the rubble is still there It will be a while before it's cleared up. There is lots of rubble around. We've also seen people shot and buried via a bulldozer. How many others. A fair old number of people have been found in recently discovered burials done the same way. How many others.

There is one factor that may give a clearer idea in Gaza's case fairly quickly.The remaining number of registered refugees. That's what the bulk of Palestinians there are. As per the west bank there may be some that aren't. They run businesses.

Anyway what ever the number is the US thinks it's too high. Behind that the techniques being used. You - your stick in a rut trying to defend your own views often omitting details that are available.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Hitler's supporters no doubt said the same the same thing. Gaza has been reduced to rubble in an attempt to destroy Hamas, which they will never do.

What they have done is hardened the minds of more.

If you lost innocent members of your family in the way many have you wouldn't just brush it off. The anger and sorrow will build and fester.

 

[Charlie George]

What they have done is hardened the minds of more.

If you lost innocent members of your family in the way many have you wouldn't just brush it off. The anger and sorrow will build and fester.

Would you have liked Israel to just brush it off?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Would you have liked Israel to just brush it off?

No.

Neither side is right, but if anybody thinks the threat in the future will have been stopped then I think they are miscalculating. It's being hardened not removed.

The west doesn't now have or give the same support that it did either.

 

[JohnD]

Can you point out examples of this 'racism, apartheid and genocide' that you refer to?

I have posted plenty, but you refuse to look at them.

You are a troll hoping to trick me into wasting more time on you.

You can look at South Africa's submissions if you want to see thorough evidence.

 

[ajohn]

I have posted plenty, but you refuse to look at them.

You are a troll hoping to trick me into wasting more time on you.

You can look at South Africa's submissions if you want to see thorough evidence.

Filly wont do that. He sticks to one particular meaning of the word and legally the law has others.