RCBO tripping, no load attached to it

[JohnW2]

This reg, no doubt was made to happen, by the manufacturers who have undue influence over JPEL/64, obviously worried about 3rd party products costing them profit.

It's not really anything to do with any 'regulation' but, rather, that the product Standard for devices in CUs do not force Standard-compliant products to be interchangeable, regardless of 'make' (as is the case, for example, with "plugs to BS1363").

As previously said, I strongly suspect that 'commercial pressures' were behind it - and I fear that the trade organisations which one might have hoped would resist this (on behalf of electricians and consumers) were also under the same 'commercial pressures'

 

[Murdochcat]

It's not really anything to do with any 'regulation' but, rather, that the product Standard for devices in CUs do not force Standard-compliant products to be interchangeable, regardless of 'make' (as is the case, for example, with "plugs to BS1363").

As previously said, I strongly suspect that 'commercial pressures' were behind it - and I fear that the trade organisations which one might have hoped would resist this (on behalf of electricians and consumers) were also under the same 'commercial pressures'

Bottom line is its another pointless change that quite a few people ignore.

I suspect also it was changed to help justify updating the regs too. Kerching

 

[JohnW2]

Bottom line is its another pointless change that quite a few people ignore. ... I suspect also it was changed to help justify updating the regs too. Kerching

What 'change' are you talking about, and when did it occur?

 

[Murdochcat]

What 'change' are you talking about, and when did it occur?

The one about stopping mix and match in CUs 18th iirc

 

[JohnW2]

The one about stopping mix and match in CUs 18th iirc

Is that actually true?

Prior to the 18th, there was a requirement to comply with Manufacturer's Instructions (not just 'take them into account', as it is now) and, as far as I can remember MIs back then always said that only 'approved' (i.e. 'their') devices should b used in their CU's?

 

[Murdochcat]

Is that actually true?

Prior to the 18th, there was a requirement to comply with Manufacturer's Instructions (not just 'take them into account', as it is now) and, as far as I can remember MIs back then always said that only 'approved' (i.e. 'their') devices should b used in their CU's?

As usual it’s the poorly worded regs

 

[Taylortwocities]

As usual it’s the poorly worded regs

One or two, I agree, are badly worded. Others are “called poorly” worded by people who do not understand the words.

 

[JohnW2]

One or two, I agree, are badly worded. Others are “called poorly” worded by people who do not understand the words.

I agree qualitatively, but not quantitatively - i..e, I think that there are far more than just "one or two" that genuinely are 'poorly worded'.

Writing totally clear and unambiguous rules, regulations, instructions or even legislation is far from trivial or easy task. The one crucial step which is often omitted is to 'field test' ones's drafts, in order to ascertain how clear and unambiguous it actually is to someone who has not seen it before. Those writing, or even proof-reading, the drafts usually cease being able to 'see' glaring' mistakes or potential problems after they have read the same document a few times.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Murdochcat]

I think we should outsource the writing of the regs to the Germans

 

[Taylortwocities]

I think we should outsource the writing of the regs to the Germans

We had a referendum and decided to go on our own.

 

[JohnW2]

I think we should outsource the writing of the regs to the Germans

No need to invoke foreigners - people quite often outsource the writing and/or review of various 'instructional documents' to me

 

[EFLImpudence]

No need to invoke foreigners - people quite often outsource the writing and/or review of various 'instructional documents' to me

Say no more.

 

[flameport]

I think we should outsource the writing of the regs to the Germans

A fair amount of it probably already is.

BS7671 is derived from IEC60364, which is contributed to by many people from many countries.

https://webstore.iec.ch/searchform&q=60364

 

[Sard]

Turns out the plasterer screwed through the cable when he was dry lining the wall and because it was already off at the CU it didn't trip then. Only when I reconnected it all did it trip. Replacing the damaged cable sorted the problem.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Thanks for the feedback. Always nice to have a result!