Record immigration figures released. Why we should get out !

[jockscott]

What's that as a percentage of the population a sixtieth something like that ......i

You're mixing your percentages with fractions. There's no such thing as a sixtieth%

Still a grand total of 828,000 extra people in the UK (of which 630,000 are from the EU) That's not far off 1million people.

It's so funny how people blame EU for Germany's mistake.

Hmmmmm As the largest member of the EU, it's easy to see how Angela Merkel's lot get blamed. Just look at the misery she's loaded onto other EU states, than has the audacity to blame them for holding immigrants from making their way ever northward.

 

[Himaginn]

What's that as a percentage of the population a sixtieth something like that ......i

You're mixing your percentages with fractions. There's no such thing as a sixtieth%

Still a grand total of 828,000 extra people in the UK (of which 630,000 are from the EU) That's not far off 1million people.

So if you win the big prize on the permium bonds, you won't mind if they only give you 630,000
But there's some mismatch in the data that you've presented and how it's been misinterpreted.
On the one hand there'sthe data about NI numbers issued. Then it has been assumed that this equates to net or gross migration. Not so!
The net migration for 2014/2015 was 333,000

• Net long-term international migration = +330,000 (up 94,000 from YE March 2014), in the year ending (YE) March 2015.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-08-27
The presentation of the number of NI numbers issued and the attempt to interpret that as net migration is misleading and unhelpful.

Even the website provides a warning:

Thus comparisons of NINo registrations over time should be viewed with caution

So if we look back at gasbanni's claim (sixtieth % ) it is based on the number of NI number issued, not the real net migration data.
So it is also misleading and unhelpful.

It's so funny how people blame EU for Germany's mistake.

Hmmmmm As the largest member of the EU, it's easy to see how Angela Merkel's lot get blamed. Just look at the misery she's loaded onto other EU states, than has the audacity to blame them for holding immigrants from making their way ever northward.

This comment is just prejudicial opinion and little else.

 

[Himaginn]

It's sad and worrying that the summation of the Brexit argument is dislike of immigrants.

What is even more worrying is that the 'Brexit-based-on-migration-concern' bunch is willing to commit economic suicide in pursuit of their dislike of johnny foreigner.

 

[^woody^]

The fact is, border control have no control, and for years have had no clue about how many people are coming in and staying here legally or illegally.

So it's not a valid reason to suggest that leaving the EU will somehow magically give us "control" of our borders, when we have been incapable of controlling it regardless.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It's sad and worrying that the summation of the Brexit argument is dislike of immigrants.

I agree with that but, for the majority of the population, I am afraid that is all that will influence their vote.

 

[Himaginn]

It was actually 630,000 NI numbers issued to EU nationals coming to the UK in 2015 (and 197,000 allocated to non EU nationals) A total of 828,000 in 2015.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...rations-adult-overseas-nationals-feb-2016.pdf

Nothing to do with school leavers, duplication, etc, etc.

The NI numbers can be issued to people who came earlier to UK but have only just entered the employment market. So the correlation between NI numbers issued and migration is suspect.

School leavers, etc are issued with NI numbers on entering the employment market so it has everything to with it.

 

[jockscott]

Sadly, the statistics I linked to earlier were only for foreign nationals coming to the UK,, not school leavers who are already here.. Try again Himmy (which part of adult overseas nationals do you not understand?? )

 

[jockscott]

It's sad and worrying that the summation of the Brexit argument is dislike of immigrants.

What is even more worrying is that the 'Brexit-based-on-migration-concern' bunch is willing to commit economic suicide in pursuit of their dislike of johnny foreigner.

It's more than that, and you know it. This is just one facet of the whole argument.

 

[Himaginn]

Sadly, the statistics I linked to earlier were only for foreign nationals coming to the UK,, not school leavers who are already here.. Try again Himmy (which part of adult overseas nationals do you not understand?? )

OK. I can accept that the figures relate to new NI numbers issued to non-indigenous people but:
The problems with trying to equate NI numbers with immigration, taken from that website:

This may be a number of weeks or months after arriving in the UK. (or even years? If they join the employment market years after arriving. e.g. in the case of juveniles who reach an age to be registered on their own behalf.)
The DWP NINo data does not show when overseas nationals subsequently depart the UK, nor does it show length of stay in the UK
nor do they necessarily align well with ONS long-term estimates of immigration since the NINo statistics will include both short-term as well as long-term (1 year+) flows as well as migrants who may have subsequently returned abroad.
In addition there will be a small number of overseas nationals (aged 16-19 yrs) allocated a NINo automatically through the Juvenile Registration scheme.

from your link.
So the NI number data is meaningless when assessing gross immigration or net migration figures

Now which part of "NI data does not equate to net migration" do you not understand.??
You're intentionally exploiting data gathered for one purpose to mislead and support your mistaken assertion.

The following illustrates the mismatch between the data used by you and the actual data collected and used by responsible users:

In the year ending (YE) September 2015:

Net long-term international migration = +323,000 (up 31,000 from YE September 2014).

Immigration = 617,000 (up 2,000 from YE September 2014).

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...grationstatisticsquarterlyreport/february2016

So you are suggesting an immigration figure of 828,000, whereas the government say 617,000. A difference of over 200,000. An exaggeration by you of nearly 33%
Do you still claim your figure is correct?

 

[Himaginn]

It's sad and worrying that the summation of the Brexit argument is dislike of immigrants.

What is even more worrying is that the 'Brexit-based-on-migration-concern' bunch is willing to commit economic suicide in pursuit of their dislike of johnny foreigner.

It's more than that, and you know it. This is just one facet of the whole argument.

I do know it! But you wouldn't think that this is just one facet judging by the arguments but forward by the Brexit-ers.
It's been the main plank of their reason to exit so far.

Take immigration out of the equation. Do you honestly think that the referendum would have arisen or that it would have any support?

 

[Himaginn]

It's sad and worrying that the summation of the Brexit argument is dislike of immigrants.
What is even more worrying is that the 'Brexit-based-on-migration-concern' bunch is willing to commit economic suicide in pursuit of their dislike of johnny foreigner.

It's more than that, and you know it. This is just one facet of the whole argument.

Err, you were saying??

Nigel Farage has put the issue of immigration at the centre of his argument for the UK to leave the European Union.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35679384
I thought he was your idol? Are you disagreeing with him?

 

[Himaginn]

There's talk of Turkey and Albania joining the EU. That's 70 MILLION muslims whose incomes are a lot lower than in The UK. All will have the right to come here.

Looks like someone had a preview of Nigel Farage's speech. he only said it an hour ago:

He warned that expansion of EU membership - potentially to Bosnia and Turkey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35679384
Having discussed the Turkey issue in some depth and detail, we now know for sure that Nigel is talking politics of paranoia, again.

 

[Himaginn]

The fact is, border control have no control, and for years have had no clue about how many people are coming in and staying here legally or illegally.
So it's not a valid reason to suggest that leaving the EU will somehow magically give us "control" of our borders, when we have been incapable of controlling it regardless.

It looks like Nigel is under the same illusion that you were referring to, woody:

he best and the safest way for us .. . is to leave the EU and to take back control of our borders."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35679384

 

[jockscott]

So you are suggesting an immigration figure of 828,000, whereas the government say 617,000. A difference of over 200,000. An exaggeration by you of nearly 33%
Do you still claim your figure is correct?

The site I linked to is the official .gov website Himmy.. Should I have reason to disbelieve anything they publish? Perhaps I shouldn't now believe anything Cameron says.

 

[^woody^]

Oh dear, looks like Blair had a hidden agenda

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html