Registered third-party inspectors

[ban-all-sheds]

How many registered electricians here have had their scheme organiser contact them about becoming one?

How many of you would be likely to be interested?

Do you think you could compete on price with LABCs?

What are the views being expressed on other electrical fora you may visit?

 

[EFLImpudence]

How many registered electricians here have had their scheme organiser contact them about becoming one?

How many of you would be likely to be interested?

Do you think you could compete on price with LABCs?

What are the views being expressed on other electrical fora you may visit?

Not yet.

Mmm. sort of. As it will only be new circuits, CU changes and special locations requiring the inspections I'm not sure it will be worth doing and I can see it leading to trouble and frequent returns if the work does not test satisfactorily.

Yes. for small jobs subject to above.

Some people seem to be moaning a lot - but glad of the reduced amount of notification.
Plus fears it will lead to similar to what they term 'Drive-by Landlord and PAT inspections'.

 

[Chri5]

I thought you had to get 2394 and 2395 to be registered for 3rd party inspections.

 

[ricicle]

In my opinion it is making a money making shambles into a diluted money making shambles.

I agree with regulating but not with the current price structure and membership options.

 

[streetlighter]

Not had any mention of it from ELECSA yet, but I'll bet there will be extra cost involved to become an approved 3rd party assessor and more paperwork required.
To be honest I'm not sure I will bother renewing my part P this year as most of my work is small non-notifiable jobs of course I still issue a MWC for every job.
And none of my clients have herd of part P most of the time they don't care about the paperwork.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The thing is that as a professional you have a duty of care to your clients - that they may not have heard of Part P, or care about the paperwork does not in the slightest change your obligation to comply with the law or to advise them of the legal requirements.

It is, after all, you who is the person carrying out the work, not them.

 

[rjm2k]

And none of my clients have herd of part P most of the time they don't care about the paperwork.

Except when they come to sell (or make an insurance claim), and get asked what work they have had done and where the paperwork for it is. DIYers who know but ignore PP will just deny all knowledge, your clients who don't know they should have had paperwork will sing like birds.

Wouldn't be surprised if this Quango scrapping government introduces yet another Quango to oversee this, with the extra fees required to fund it.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Not had any mention of it from ELECSA yet, but I'll bet there will be extra cost involved to become an approved 3rd party assessor and more paperwork required.

The word from ELECSA is
"that the person doing the third party inspections, is a member of a registered Part P scheme, which you are/I am. As such, no further registration would be needed".

 

[bernardgreen]

I think this concern about not having the certificates for DIY work is over played. Do buyers really trust the paper work, do they even know what paper work is needed ? Most other parts of the Building Reg seldom feature in the sell-buy process. Internal load bearing walls are removed but few buyers actual bother to get proof of the quality of the work when the wall was removed. Most don't even realise a load bearing wall has been modified. I am sure the same attitude applies to electrics.

Personally I know that sellers are often forgetful about work ( bodging ) that has been done in their house.

Even if there is a certificate a buyer's inspection of the installation is the only way to learn the true state of affairs. And even that is not going to find all the bodges.

My concern ( from personal experience ) is that some certificates are less than accurate.

 

[JohnW2]

I think this concern about not having the certificates for DIY work is over played. Do buyers really trust the paper work, do they even know what paper work is needed ? Most other parts of the Building Reg seldom feature in the sell-buy process. Internal load bearing walls are removed but few buyers actual bother to get proof of the quality of the work when the wall was removed. Most don't even realise a load bearing wall has been modified. I am sure the same attitude applies to electrics. Personally I know that sellers are often forgetful about work ( bodging ) that has been done in their house. Even if there is a certificate a buyer's inspection of the installation is the only way to learn the true state of affairs. And even that is not going to find all the bodges.

I agree entirely - I think that all this business about 'paperwork' is almost irrelevant to the seliing process. Apart from anything else, many 'clean' sellers have simply lost/destroyed the paperwork - and, as you say, it means very little, even if one has it (so easy to fake, for a start, and not necessarily correct, even if genuine!).

Insurance claims are a rather different issue. If an insurer thinks there is any way they can wriggle out of paying up, they'll try it - and pointing fingers at DIY electrical work is one thing they can try. Even if there is no evidence of anything having been wrong with the work, I think that some policies have small print that means that the mere fact that DIY electrical work has been undertaken might invalidate the policy.

Kind Regards, John