RENEWABLE ENERGY: What's YOUR main cause for concern?

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Hi y'all,

Fancy sharing your thoughts on renewable energy, micro-generation, FiTs, RHI etc...

I'm curious about the general perception of this up and coming arena.

Thanks in advance

Ant.
 
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Hmm. Trouble is, it usually involves spending 5 or 10 grand , to save maybe a few hundred a year. Looking at it in financial terms, its a very long payback, if ever. I worry that by the time you are in profit and the system has paid for itself, it will be needing replacement.

I suppose as we get more and more screwed for our energy costs by the government, the EU, and the vociferous green lobby, then it will start to make more sense.

It could be said that green energy makes much more sense in rural areas, where oil ch is getting stupidly expensive to run. In cities where mains gas is available it makes much less sense.

I'm a bit of a luddite, and don't like being railroaded into green systems of questionable efficiency and value, especially when we have the EU green tax gun pointed at our heads.

Rant over!
 
Simply, the technology is not advanced enough yet.

Lets say a typical family in a UK suburban semi leading a typical family life, there is no way that they can maintain a typical modern energy use requirement either practically or economically.

Its OK for one person with minimal requirements and a basic life, say out in the middle of nowhere, but otherwise no chance.

Personal wind power is now discredited. Solar is OK for 2-3 weeks in summer (when consumption is minimal).

Ground or air-source heat pumps may have a use, but start-up costs are still too high.

Bio-mass or bio-oil seem to have other environmental costs

We need a nice safe fusion reactor to be invented
 
We need a nice safe fusion reactor to be invented

Sorted.
MrFusion.jpg


DH
 
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^woody^ said:
We need a nice safe fusion reactor to be invented

You mean something like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/KSTAR_tokamak.jpg

or, seen from the inside,

http://www.nfri.re.kr/Contents/data/file/ENFRI_007_1/764018670_X103sqx6_KSTAR_First_Plasma.jpg

Yes, the future's bright; the future's doughnut shaped. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Around 25 years ago, in a lecture on the politics of technology, we were told that the future would either be solar or nuclear. (That was self evident, given that fossil fuels couldn't last forever, though geothermal power had somehow dropped out of the equation).

Renewable energy is, with few exceptions, solar in origin. Now the solar future is possible but it isn't particularly easy. The main problem with solar power is that it's spread wide and thin so you have to harvest it in much the same way is we harvest food today. A solar powered future would see us all paying a lot more for our energy and, as a direct consequence, taking a lot more care not to waste any.

There will also be a conflict between food production and energy production and it's already started. Plants are very good at turning sunlight into energy. Unfortunately, the cheapest bio-fuels at the moment are the bits of plant that we can eat. Sorry but no deal. When half the world is starving, it is not acceptable to burn food! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
"God forbid that India should ever take to industrialism after the manner of the west... keeping the world in chains. If [our nation] took to similar economic exploitation, it would strip the world bare like locusts."
Mahatma Gandhi

Too late I guess.
 
Photovoltaic panels seem to be a good idea if you get the right deal, they will generate electricity when you are at work and sell it back into the grid, cant be bad, and they do make a difference in the old eleccy bill which also cant be bad.
So they cost a bit but they will bump up the value of your property no end.

Ground source heat pumps also work, your home needs to be well insulated and ive heard its best in underfloor heating as this runs cooler than standard rads.

On new builds or renovation projects these technology's do work, putting them into an existing house may be more problematic but still worth the effort I reckon.
 
Feed in Tariffs are unreasonably high. Previous government set them so they could be seen to be doing something about conserving energy, but I reckon it's a big blunder by them. At the moment nuclear generation is the way to go now. Cheap reliable energy source (no matter what Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth say).
Wind power is too expensive and dependent upon perfect conditions. Solar energy, would be fine , If, we could place the generators in the equatorial regions and sort out the electricity transmission problems. Tidal energy could possibly work, but the technology needs to be developed , so it's cheap.

Anyway, it's all hypothetical,,, In 40 or 50 yrs , the world will be short of fossil fuels. Aircraft won't be flying, Ships will be reliant on wind (again) Motor cars will only be for the rich and the few.

Let's see how many of us travel the world then.


PS I notice they have these Green/Carbon Conferences etc (usually in some exotic location) and delegates fly to them from all over the world.
In this day and age of internet communication, they could possibly (and better) hold a conference over the internet. No flying, a much reduced carbon footprint. Altogether, much better for the environment.
 
There are two ways to get energy out of a nuclear reaction: the clean way and the dirty way. The clean way isn't so clean but the dirty way is very, very dirty. The problem is that, while the dirty way isn't so easy, the clean way is very, very hard. :( :( :(

Of course we started with the easy, dirty way which is fission and that's where all that waste has come from. There are actually two kinds of fission waste: the fission products themselves and a load of long-lived heavy nuclides which you get when you leave uranium stewing in a neutron soup. The heavy ones are the worst.

Fission is not a long term solution to our energy needs and that waste will have to be dealt with eventually. Was it the mounting waste problem or the realization that our supply of U 235 would not last forever? :confused: :confused: :confused: Whatever the reason, the race to build a working fusion reactor has been going on for some time and, for the moment, South Korea is in the lead. (But all credit to the boffins at Abingdon who did a lot of the initial development, despite the fact that a bunch of short-sighted accountants pulled the plug. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

Now fusion isn't exactly clean - nothing that produces free neutrons ever is - but light nuclides are much easier to deal with, not least because there aren't so many of them. :cool: :cool: :cool: Another big plus is that, for the time being at least, it isn't possible to make a bomb out of them. All fusion bombs have a fission bomb inside.

It might not happen in my lifetime but I'll stick my neck out and predict a nuclear future. The solar future does have its merits but, if we ever hope to send a manned ship out across interstellar space, we'll need anti-matter. We'll need many tons of anti-matter and making it will consume a huge amount of energy. Such a starship will probably be built in orbit or, more likely, on the moon. There is no bio-fuel on the moon but it's an excellent place to build a fusion reactor. You don't even need a vacuum chamber! :) :) :)
 
Don't panic folks. Mankind will survive the oil crash. Those of us that are left, that is. It is estimated that less than 2 billion will survive when fossil fuels are gone. We've got too many people and resources are dwindling fast.
 
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