This is certainly going off topic.
Quite so - which is why I suggested that he starts a new thread if he wants the very off-topic discussion to continue - although I have no great confidence that the mods would leave it or very long n a place where I would be prepared to contribute!This is certainly going off topic.
That's an interesting view, given that being 'out-of-date' only affects the functionality of the device (which is not an electrical 'accessory' in the normal sense), not is electrical safety. If one regards smoke alarm functionality as being within the siope of an EICR (which I personally don't believe it is) then those undertaking EICRs would have to 'properly test' them (with smoke, not the 'test button') - which is something which seems to be rarely, if ever, done in the context of an EICR.
I wonder if anyone else agrees with you?
Furthermore, most people seem to think that if one 'codes' something on an EICR one should (or, at least, should be able to) cite the regulation in BS7671 which is being violated - what reg would you cite in relation to an 'out-of-fate' smoke alarm, I wonder?
Indeed so - and I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.The wiring connected to any smoke/heat detector etc any burglar alarm etc etc, unless specifically excluded by agreement and noted on the limitations is tested and inspected as part of the fixed wiring for safety.
Exactly. There are countless things which are 'hard wired' into electrical installations, and I don't think that an sane electrician would even dream of there being a requirement for them to inspect/test those things (which would not necessary be within their sphere of competence, anyway), beyond the point at which the supply entered the items in question.Whether that alarm system/doorbell/CCTV or whater actually functions correctly is covered or not by completely seperate certification.
an EICR/PIR is all about safety of the wiring system as regards persons, livestock and property.
... and I would still be interested to know what regulation he would cite to support the C2 he says he would give to an 'expired' smoke alarm!
Kind Regards, John
Do you mean 651.2(iv), rather than 651.2(v)?651.2 (v)
The C1, C2, and FI are in regard to Electrical safety only, nothing like does the smoke alarm system actually work or detectors in date etc. Totally irrelevant in an EICR.651.2 (v)
As I previously stated I think this is justifiable as it’s safety, and down to the inspector
there you go
And seeing as people are handing out C2’s for no extractors …..
As you will understand, that is certainly my view (and, I strongly suspect, also the view of almost everyone else).The C1, C2, and FI are in regard to Electrical safety only, nothing like does the smoke alarm system actually work or detectors in date etc. Totally irrelevant in an EICR.
'Comments' are fair enough. If I were undertaking an ECR (which I never will) and I happened to notice something like a smoke alarm which was 'out-of-date' (or even 'broken', in an manner which did not affect electrical safety), I would certainly bring that to the intention of the owner, whether as a written comment of an ECR or otherwise - but that very different from 'coding it as C2'.PS I have seen comments in EICRs/PIRs stating "no smokes" suggesting that they should be present, that is not relevant in such circumstances but if they are present they must be electrically safe
Quite so. Maybe "definitely a C2" if either of the dead bulbs is in a place where the lack of light could possibly represent a hazard ??.... Two dead bulbs is that a C2 now.
The landlord law does to be fair sayAny damaged accessory or fixed appliance is the same. If it’s plugged in it’s not my issue
which in turn says“electrical installation” has the meaning given in regulation 2(1) of the Building Regulations 2010(2);
so yes many items normally considered as PAT testing items, cooker, extractor fans, smoke alarms, and central heating of course would come under “electrical installation” which means of course the covers on the electrical connections on the boiler need removing for inspection.“electrical installation” means fixed electrical cables or fixed electrical equipment located on the consumer’s side of the electricity supply meter;
That makes sense and, in any event, even if it is not stated explicitly as a limitation on the report,, I feel that it is describing what virtually all EICR actually do.On the very few EICR/PIR I have done I have included the limitation "No current using equipment has been inspected or tested" just for clarity and a CYA excersize
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