Report on the BBC and gay issues

[joe-90]

I'd agree with all that, Toffee.

Now, suppose you woke up one morning and thought, "I'm gay after all".

Would that change you in any way? Would you have to go all butch and get a tatoo? Or would you quietly carry on with your new life?

Also, if being gay is genetic - then is being attracted to children also genetic?



joe

 

[toffee]

I dont know joe...
but what I do know is this.
The way for the human race to go forth is to multiply...

that is the majority.

But... people are made differently... in the sense of who they are physically attracted to.

It doesnt matter does it?

you get sexually overt men and women who actively and overtly and loudly pursue the opposite sex.
This can be tedious and embarrassing.

The same would apply to gays.

man/ woman relationships may be the majority but why ... why... does it matter if someone isnt part of this majority?

Joe... please clarify... are you saying that you do not have any ill feeling to gay people or straight people so long as they all keep their sexual preference under wraps?

 

[joe-90]

I have no problem with gay people whatsoever. I just don't think that we need it parading down the street as if it's a new religion. Gay or straight we are the same - no need to create some kind of sub-culture based upon what happens in private.


joe

 

[Brightness]

I have no problem with gay people whatsoever. I just don't think that we need it parading down the street as if it's a new religion. Gay or straight we are the same - no need to create some kind of sub-culture based upon what happens in private.


joe

It looks to me like you are now trying to wriggle out of your previous postings. You obviously sympathise with paedophiles or maybe lean that way yourself. Either way, you are the one who is making it up as you go along.

No one is trying to create a sub-culture we are just trying to say that gays should be portrayed on tv as normal people.

Oh yes and no, I do not agree with 12 year olds marrying or anyone being forced into an arranged marriage either - though what that has got to do with it I just don't know

 

[joe-90]

I'm a normal guy (thankfully) I must have won God's Lottery. I don't fancy other men or children, only women my own age.

I'm not 'wriggling' at all. Please show me where I am 'wriggling'.

No-one need know who is gay or who is not - it's a 'non issue'.

Why the fanfare? Why the song and dance? Who cares what people do in private?

When is a child a child or an adult? It varies with different cultures. It's just some arbitarry figure that someone at sometime has dreamed up.

I do have sympathy for paedophiles. They are doomed to spend most of their lives behind bars for reasons that are beyond their control. They could have been born straight or gay but were born how they are. What worse curse could any human be afflicted by?



joe

 

[markie]

I've got NO sympathy for those dirty bast##ds.

 

[toffee]

paedophiles... yes well... it may be an illness but children have to be protected from them. if they can not control their urges then they musyt be imprisoned to protect children.
I am thirty five... i find people attractive who may range from 20's to 50's.
Age doesnt bother me so long as people are adults and not children.

Joe, you cant compare gay with paedophile.

 

[joe-90]

I've got NO sympathy for those dirty bast##ds.

If you have a son - he has as much chance of being one as anyone elses son. It's God's Lottery.

Do you have any sympathy with being born gay? It's the same dice that is rolled - just a different number.


joe

 

[joe-90]

paedophiles... yes well... it may be an illness but children have to be protected from them. if they can not control their urges then they musyt be imprisoned to protect children.
I am thirty five... i find people attractive who may range from 20's to 50's.
Age doesnt bother me so long as people are adults and not children.

Joe, you cant compare gay with paedophile.

I'm not comparing them on a social scale. However, the same genetic forces are at work. One of your sons may roll the 'wrong number'.
Why can't gay men control their urges? Same dice - same 'illness'.


joe

 

[toffee]

joe.. if and I hope to goodness not.. any of my children groww up to have paedophile tendencies then I will be totally distraught.
As their mother I will feel anguish beyond that imaginable.

As a mother... I would also know that my child / adolescent/ man would need imprisoned to protect others.

If my sons are gay... then no such anguish will fall on my heart.
Though I would worry that they may come across unwarranted predudice.

 

[joe-90]

I agree with what you say. I would feel the same way. However, the dice will roll and some poor mother's son will be imprisoned for losing out on God's Lottery. Mental illness is rarely pretty - but is usually beyond the control of the person who is ill.

Maybe you are not the liberal thinker that you think that you are. Maybe I'm not the closed-minded zealot that you think that I am.

joe

 

[markie]

Joe

I've got 3 girls all under the age of 5, so when you say you got sympathy for them, it hits a raw nerve.

Even if i had a boy and he turn out to be a paedophile I would kick the s##t out of him, then hand him over to the police.

 

[ninebob]

I agree with what you say. I would feel the same way. However, the dice will roll and some poor mother's son will be imprisoned for losing out on God's Lottery. Mental illness is rarely pretty - but is usually beyond the control of the person who is ill.

Are you saying that you think my homosexuality is an illness?

Because beleive me, the only thing I suffer from is the bigotry and ignorance of people like yourself.

 

[joe-90]

I agree with what you say. I would feel the same way. However, the dice will roll and some poor mother's son will be imprisoned for losing out on God's Lottery. Mental illness is rarely pretty - but is usually beyond the control of the person who is ill.

Are you saying that you think my homosexuality is an illness?

Because beleive me, the only thing I suffer from is the bigotry and ignorance of people like yourself.

I'm saying that it's a genetic condition that no-one has control over, but then again so is paedophilia.

It's just a fact of life that some men fancy other men, they are born that way - but so what? Why do you insist on telling all and sundry?


joe

 

[joe-90]

Joe

I've got 3 girls all under the age of 5, so when you say you got sympathy for them, it hits a raw nerve.

Even if i had a boy and he turn out to be a paedophile I would kick the s##t out of him, then hand him over to the police.

Why? It wouldn't be his fault that he 'rolled the wrong numbers'.

I have a son and a daughter, both now adults and normal.

Society needs to help these people. If they cannot be helped then they should never be released. But I don't hate someone for that. I'm sure they would much rather be like you and me.



joe