save yourself the effort. An isolation switch is not mandatory. As a result there’s no distance requirement. Leave it where it is.
Unless you really want one, of course.
Ring Main Socket Pass Through & Cooker Circuit
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save yourself the effort. An isolation switch is not mandatory. As a result there’s no distance requirement. Leave it where it is.
Unless you really want one, of course.
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If you're planning to add cable all the way round the kitchen and therefore you think you have access to all of that then surely my idea must be easier.Food for thought here, appreciate the inputs.
I have just been using a metal/cable scanner on the walls and using that with my memory of some wires when the edge of floorboards were up before carpet etc, trying to draw a picture of the ring how it is today but unfortunately, I lose the wire at the end of the kitchen! It goes up the wall and simply stops! Unless it's floorboards up and potentially even part of the kitchen ceiling coming down, I don't think this ring can be traced effectively. When they did the kitchen extension they clearly extended the ring circuit but, lord knows how and where!
Not sure what to do now. ie, the original idea seems easiest but obviously getting the hint from here it shouldn't be done like that. The original sparky advised he was going to do it like I originally diagramed but I am using a different guy now and was hoping to make life easy by prepping the wires so he can just connect up.
Hurting my head abit with what to do for the best.
I was kinda hoping your idea was the way forward SUNRAY, hence why I went straight out with the scanner to work it out. Maybe I just got lost or our diagrams are over simplified in relation to the actual current ring circuit, I am not sure.
I wish I could diagram the actual layout of the house, both floors and what I know of the wires. But then again if I did that you'd probably just say "your house needs a full rewire"
I wish I could diagram the actual layout of the house, both floors and what I know of the wires. But then again if I did that you'd probably just say "your house needs a full rewire"
Ok, progress. I took onboard the inputs on this thread and went back again from the beginning, this time though just bit the bullet and pulled up floorboards and did some tracing to see what can be done to chop out the kitchen and extension from the main ring circuit, re-join just the house and then join the existing kitchen wiring back to a new circuit, no more trying to "pass through" the wires.
Well, the excercise today was hard work but very enlightening to say the least. So far I have found, loose socket connections, a floorboard nail directly through an earth cable, a socket earth wire sheethed with black instead of green or green/yellow and a spur 3 meters from its master socket but upon lifting the very next floorboard next to the spur found the main ring cable running pretty much below it (just why not spur from there a few feet at most or better, no need to even bloody spur it). Not to mention sockets where the cables are SO short I spent 30 minutes putting just a single one back on!!!
So, my fears were realised, it's hard work and the place needs a full rewire! However, I guess a rewire isn't going to happen for a few years so, a bit of pain now is actually worth the effort. Hopefully i'll be able to report back the job has been done successfully soon.
Well, the excercise today was hard work but very enlightening to say the least. So far I have found, loose socket connections, a floorboard nail directly through an earth cable, a socket earth wire sheethed with black instead of green or green/yellow and a spur 3 meters from its master socket but upon lifting the very next floorboard next to the spur found the main ring cable running pretty much below it (just why not spur from there a few feet at most or better, no need to even bloody spur it). Not to mention sockets where the cables are SO short I spent 30 minutes putting just a single one back on!!!
So, my fears were realised, it's hard work and the place needs a full rewire! However, I guess a rewire isn't going to happen for a few years so, a bit of pain now is actually worth the effort. Hopefully i'll be able to report back the job has been done successfully soon.
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Three metres of cable is cheaper than a junction box.
Haha, fair point winston1
Rings off a ring also found since. Long story short, that rewire that wasn't going to happen for a few years, it is now going to happen very quickly.
I am glad I came here originally to ask about the "pass through" idea which was originally an idea from an electrician who come round to price up the original job. He didn't get the job by the way. Since asking on here, I was prompted to go take a deeper look to avoid the pass through and upon that deeper look, well, I found what I found and a rewire is the only sensible thing to do now.
I am glad I came here originally to ask about the "pass through" idea which was originally an idea from an electrician who come round to price up the original job. He didn't get the job by the way. Since asking on here, I was prompted to go take a deeper look to avoid the pass through and upon that deeper look, well, I found what I found and a rewire is the only sensible thing to do now.
It sounds like a decent time to discover these problems.
Indeed a decent time to discover the problems. Too many to list to be honest but glad they are found and we won't be sitting on this mess for much longer.
Just a quick addition to what I already listed; check this picture out of one of the spurs found under the downstairs floorboards. Fancy a spur? Just add a socket under the floor, spur off it and tape it up. Top job!
Just a quick addition to what I already listed; check this picture out of one of the spurs found under the downstairs floorboards. Fancy a spur? Just add a socket under the floor, spur off it and tape it up. Top job!
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Well at least it was taped up
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