Safe to disconnect?
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Oh dear
may be but not safe, what happen if the free standing cooker get knock about, move and the rigid pipe get bent, and break joint and gas get leak, is this a acceptable method?I have a right to look at internet as I do not have a book at hand. There are far too many cowboy and poor trained fitters out there who does not have common sense
Daniel.
How would it not be safe if fitted correctly, every single cooker fitted in the country was like this till the mid 70`s when flexes came out .
And your right there is too many people out there giving advice who are not qualified and dont know how to do things properly you being one of them .
As Abraham Lincoln once said " Dont believe everything you read on the internet"
And your right there is too many people out there giving advice who are not qualified and dont know how to do things properly you being one of them .
As Abraham Lincoln once said " Dont believe everything you read on the internet"
I respect you and fully understand
It is true that rigid pipes is used on cookers but I still think it is too risk if cooker get knock about and movement, would it break joint so rigid pipe still not a good method of connection.
I am qualified and certified but has decided not to do gas work as I wasn't happy with training I was given. I prefer to concentrate on housing maintenance and I am happy with it
Daniel.
It is true that rigid pipes is used on cookers but I still think it is too risk if cooker get knock about and movement, would it break joint so rigid pipe still not a good method of connection.
I am qualified and certified but has decided not to do gas work as I wasn't happy with training I was given. I prefer to concentrate on housing maintenance and I am happy with it
Daniel.
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I think this Approved Code of Practice from the HSE is probably good guidance.
Pages 26 and 27:
Regulation 5 (2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1) above, no person
shall install in a building any pipe or pipe fitting for use in the supply of gas which
is –
(a) made of lead or lead alloy; or
(b) made of a non-metallic substance unless it is –
(i) a pipe connected to a readily movable gas appliance designed for
use without a flue; or
(ii) a pipe entering the building and that part of it within the building is
placed inside a metallic sheath which is so constructed and installed
as to prevent, as far as is reasonably practicable, the escape of gas
into the building if the pipe should fail.
The ACOP then goes on to say:
109 Free-standing gas cookers are generally movable, but are not regarded as
‘readily movable’ for the purpose of this regulation (see also paragraph 56). Flexible
cooker hoses should therefore be of metallic construction; they should conform
with appropriate standards and be used only for their intended purpose.
It doesn't seem to mention anything about fixed items. So if you were to replace the hose with something flexible and metal, what would be the problem (other than it looking like a pigs ear still).
Not of course 5 (3) does say without prejudice to 5 (1) which talks about appropriate materials etc, so make of that with regards to rubber hoses as you will!
Pages 26 and 27:
Regulation 5 (2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1) above, no person
shall install in a building any pipe or pipe fitting for use in the supply of gas which
is –
(a) made of lead or lead alloy; or
(b) made of a non-metallic substance unless it is –
(i) a pipe connected to a readily movable gas appliance designed for
use without a flue; or
(ii) a pipe entering the building and that part of it within the building is
placed inside a metallic sheath which is so constructed and installed
as to prevent, as far as is reasonably practicable, the escape of gas
into the building if the pipe should fail.
The ACOP then goes on to say:
109 Free-standing gas cookers are generally movable, but are not regarded as
‘readily movable’ for the purpose of this regulation (see also paragraph 56). Flexible
cooker hoses should therefore be of metallic construction; they should conform
with appropriate standards and be used only for their intended purpose.
It doesn't seem to mention anything about fixed items. So if you were to replace the hose with something flexible and metal, what would be the problem (other than it looking like a pigs ear still).
Not of course 5 (3) does say without prejudice to 5 (1) which talks about appropriate materials etc, so make of that with regards to rubber hoses as you will!
My understanding is that hobs in worktops can only be connected using an approved hose if the hob manufacturer advises so. In all other cases it is rigid connection only.
The pictures show a moody adaptation by someone either in a hurry or unqualified. It is extremely rare to find a hob where the MIs allow a hose and in any case the bayonet fails the Gas Safe test because it is fitted the wrong way up allowing dirt into what is meant to be a reliable,clean gas tight seal.
So the advice is the same as everyone else has given, get an RGI in to do it properly.
Mind you it is better than the water flexible hose I found on one early this year.
The pictures show a moody adaptation by someone either in a hurry or unqualified. It is extremely rare to find a hob where the MIs allow a hose and in any case the bayonet fails the Gas Safe test because it is fitted the wrong way up allowing dirt into what is meant to be a reliable,clean gas tight seal.
So the advice is the same as everyone else has given, get an RGI in to do it properly.
Mind you it is better than the water flexible hose I found on one early this year.
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