Science / maths /education

[2scoops0406]

no, the only jobs on offer.

 

[pickles]

Put this firmly in perspective I am a born an bred scientist,I detest the dumbing down of society. I'm proud of the fact I like that I like to think I know how the world around me works. I'm proud of the fact I challenge things when i don't think they're right. I foster an enquiring mind in my kids. I believe that this country has some of the most exceptionally gifted minds ever to grace this earth, but not within media studies.

I think the dumbing down of society is a bit of a myth. This forum is a good example, it's full of ordinary people and there's plenty of trivia but also a lot of thought and intelligent comment

It's a curious thing but most traditional scientists denigrate social sciences or non physical sciences, but when you ask them about the object of their scorn they very rarely have studied them in depth. Have you done a lot of media studies, Eddie M, what part of your studies lead you to think that there are no gifted or enquiring minds.

Most people who study social sciences etc, find mathematicians and phycisists sometimes lacking in critical thought about what they do. They do silly things like working out to start how to a fission reaction in Uranium without working out the social consequences first

 

[Brightness]

So we only teach kids basic maths at school, OK. What about future generations of Doctors, pharmacists, dispensing technicians, nurses, paramedics,hairdressers (yes, even they need maths to calculate chemicals) and other professions????

How about if the bloke or women who sells you a mortgage can't add up and gets the figures wrong? Or the person serving you in the shop has a broken till and needs to add up your groceries and work out your change? Or the wages clerk who can't add up how much money you have earned?

No, of course we don't need anything more than basic education

I'm just glad my kids have had good teachers who believe in teaching them everything they need to know & not some idiot who thinks they only need the rudiments!

 

[2scoops0406]

So we only teach kids basic maths at school, OK. What about future generations of Doctors, pharmacists, dispensing technicians, nurses, paramedics,hairdressers (yes, even they need maths to calculate chemicals) and other professions????

How about if the bloke or women who sells you a mortgage can't add up and gets the figures wrong? Or the person serving you in the shop has a broken till and needs to add up your groceries and work out your change? Or the wages clerk who can't add up how much money you have earned?

No, of course we don't need anything more than basic education

I'm just glad my kids have had good teachers who believe in teaching them everything they need to know & not some idiot who thinks they only need the rudiments!

Hairdressers need more than basic maths, don't make me laugh!! Doctors nurses, we get 'em from the philippines / africa these days. The bloke who sells you a mortgage, come on, his main success of the day is successfully remembering where he works! Missold mortgages, oh that never happens does it. I've worked in financial services for 10 years, and I can honestly say, most of the banks staff, would be challenged by an amoeba. They know f'all about the products they sell, and frankly care even less.

How can you calculate a chemical, what does that mean?

What's a dispensing technician? Someone would dole's the s**t out?


Wages clerk lol: what do you think they do these days?

 

[johnny_t]

I'm with Eddie on this in the main - None of the examples given actually need any advanced skills beyond being able to drive whatever computer programmes given to them to work out the solutions to the questions posed.

My only counter-argument would be that having a more educated population is the only thing that is going to help stop the slide into an inarticulate, unthinking, unquestioning mass that we are currently on course to become.

 

[kendor]

My only counter-argument would be that having a more educated population is the only thing that is going to help stop the slide into an inarticulate, unthinking, unquestioning mass that we are currently on course to become.

you speak for yourself mate

 

[2scoops0406]

Well, you're actually totally with me, I find the lack of stimulating jobs in the UK disgraceful as well. I find it deplorable that there is a situation whereby kids can't be taught more than the rudiments of maths and science, 'cos that is the ability that their teacher has in the subjects.

 

[johnny_t]

My only counter-argument would be that having a more educated population is the only thing that is going to help stop the slide into an inarticulate, unthinking, unquestioning mass that we are currently on course to become.

you speak for yourself mate

You're alright - You'll be able to go into modellling if all else dries up....

 

[Brightness]

Hairdressers need more than basic maths, don't make me laugh!! Doctors nurses, we get 'em from the philippines / africa these days. The bloke who sells you a mortgage, come on, his main success of the day is successfully remembering where he works! Missold mortgages, oh that never happens does it. I've worked in financial services for 10 years, and I can honestly say, most of the banks staff, would be challenged by an amoeba. They know f'all about the products they sell, and frankly care even less.

How can you calculate a chemical, what does that mean?

What's a dispensing technician? Someone would dole's the s**t out?


Wages clerk lol: what do you think they do these days?

OK laugh all you want but you are just showing your ignorance and arrogance. You obviously have this notion that because you have a degree of some sort and are incapable of putting it into practice then no body else needs to learn anything.

Hairdressers actually do need to have exam passes to get into college these days - probably something to do with measuring out peroxide....

A Dispensing technician is the person in a pharmacy who actually does all the work - most pharmacists just check the prescriptions once they are completed (maybe if you'd learned something you'd have known this?).

I know plenty of Doctors and Nurses Eddie, but I know of none who have come from the Phillipines and only two who are from Africa. You obviously read the Sun too often...

If you really find the lack of stimulating jobs here that bad then why don't you take your own 'talents' abroad?

I speak as I find and my kids have both been taught more than the rudiments of maths/science/English and other subjects by their teachers and tutors - maybe they've just gone to good schools and colleges.

 

[WoodYouLike]

I speak as I find and my kids have both been taught more than the rudiments of maths/science/English and other subjects by their teachers and tutors - maybe they've just gone to good schools and colleges.

200% behind you Brightness!

 

[kendor]

My only counter-argument would be that having a more educated population is the only thing that is going to help stop the slide into an inarticulate, unthinking, unquestioning mass that we are currently on course to become.

you speak for yourself mate

You're alright - You'll be able to go into modellling if all else dries up....

never was any good at airfix

 

[hermes]

]never was any good at airfix

Your puns leave a bit to be desired, as well.

 

[2scoops0406]

OK laugh all you want but you are just showing your ignorance and arrogance. You obviously have this notion that because you have a degree of some sort and are incapable of putting it into practice then no body else needs to learn anything.

Is that a you in general or a me?

Hairdressers actually do need to have exam passes to get into college these days - probably something to do with measuring out peroxide....

This is more than basic maths then?

A Dispensing technician is the person in a pharmacy who actually does all the work - most pharmacists just check the prescriptions once they are completed (maybe if you'd learned something you'd have known this?).

A dispensing pharmacist is a shop assistant. A pharmacist is one who knows their Gluteus maximus from their Articulatio Cubiti

I know plenty of Doctors and Nurses Eddie, but I know of none who have come from the Phillipines and only two who are from Africa. You obviously read the Sun too often...

That doesn't need a response.

If you really find the lack of stimulating jobs here that bad then why don't you take your own 'talents' abroad?

I have 3 times, and I've found stimulating work here as well.

I speak as I find and my kids have both been taught more than the rudiments of maths/science/English and other subjects by their teachers and tutors - maybe they've just gone to good schools and colleges.

Good I am geniunely pleased for them. Hopefully they'll get a challenging job then.

 

[hermes]

I would hazzard a guess that you don't need anything beyond basic maths for the vast majority of jobs in this country, I'd also hazzard a guess that you need next to no knowledge of anything scientific.
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I would agree with this, but I think that there would be a danger that if no higher maths or science was taught at school then no-one would be interested into going into the sciences as a profession and then scientific research and development would suffer.