Shaver socket - How do zones work when a bath is diagonal

[Pensdown]

BTW - it's not tripping - except when the element in the oven started to breakdown, which is exactly what its supposed to do.

That's correct, but that single earth fault should not trip the whole house, regulation 314.

It's a bit like designing a safe car. Would you like a car that disabled it's self every time an indicator lamp blew?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's a bit like designing an operating system. Would you like a computer which crashed or hung every time one application went awry, or which needed to be completely restarted after each minor change?

Oh, hang on.....

 

[sdavies21216]

It's a bit like designing an operating system. Would you like a computer which crashed or hung every time one application went awry, or which needed to be completely restarted after each minor change?

Oh, hang on.....

Windows detected a movement in your mouse and must now restart to update its configuration

 

[plugwash]

It's a bit like designing an operating system. Would you like a computer which crashed or hung every time one application went awry, or which needed to be completely restarted after each minor change?

The 90's called, they want win3.x and win9x back.

 

[swinster]

It's a bit like designing an operating system. Would you like a computer which crashed or hung every time one application went awry, or which needed to be completely restarted after each minor change?

The 90's called, they want win3.x and win9x back.

Nice analogies.

Whilst I appreciate this is not "to code" can I just confirm a couple of things.

1) As these were done prior to any regulation, I take it that there is no legal requirement to change them - especially as i am only add a shaver.

2) Although I can see the inconveniences - and in the past I have had them - but does it make it dangerous?

3) what would be required to alter this to something acceptable - and what would be a guess at costs.


Just back on topic again, can someone look back at my past post with diagram in regard to the zones - have I drawn them correctly?

 

[TicklyT]

I would draw a line around the bathtub on your plan 600mm from the edge of the bath, and then project the points where that line intersects the walls on the plan onto the elevation of the walls to define the edge of the zone.

Then re-visit the the intentions behind the definition of the zone. In this case, putting accessories at least 600mm from the edge of the bath is intended to keep them out of reach of anyone in the bath.
In this case, the bottom left corner of the room as drawn might fall outside the zone, but the only way to reach that corner is apparently to stand in the bath, which is what the regs are trying to stop us doing.

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• TicklyT
• 12 Dec 2008
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[swinster]

I would draw a line around the bathtub on your plan 600mm from the edge of the bath, and then project the points where that line intersects the walls on the plan onto the elevation of the walls to define the edge of the zone.

Ok, this also seems reasonable.

Then re-visit the the intentions behind the definition of the zone. In this case, putting accessories at least 600mm from the edge of the bath is intended to keep them out of reach of anyone in the bath.
In this case, the bottom left corner of the room as drawn might fall outside the zone, but the only way to reach that corner is apparently to stand in the bath, which is what the regs are trying to stop us doing.

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• TicklyT
• 12 Dec 2008
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Yes, practically the corner you specify can ONLY be reached IF you stand in the bath then lean over. There are actually taps in the way here on the side of the bath making this almost imposable, and if you do you would find if difficult to stand again.

The way you have drawn the perimeter, the small box on the left hand wall lies within this section. Whilst I appreciate this might not be exactly to scale, it is actually quite close and shows that the intended position of the shaver socket MIGHT need to be rethought.

Many thanks for you input. (I may make a second post querying the need/cost to re-wire the CUs to meet code.)

 

[swinster]

Just one last question on this before I put it to sleep. Looks like I need to move the shaver socket and there is a window by the sink/toilet.

As far as I can see, the window recess is classed as zone 2 so I'm guessing it would be OK to stick the socket in the side return of the recess. I hope that there are no odd laws or regulation I need to take into account for this?

Please see image.

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• swinster
• 18 Dec 2008
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[BS3036]

This thread has me baffled. Why not just put it where you planned? That is zone 2 at the worst, and therefore fine for fitting a shaver supply which complies with BS EN 61558-2-5.

This has already been stated above.

 

[swinster]

This thread has me baffled. Why not just put it where you planned? That is zone 2 at the worst, and therefore fine for fitting a shaver supply which complies with BS EN 61558-2-5.

This has already been stated above.

Thanks. Sorry, have been getting confused as to what is allowed in what zone (http://www.diydata.com/electrics/bathroom_electrics/bathroom_electrics.php).

 

[BS3036]

Yeah, in the picture in your link they seem to have left the label off zone 2, which could cause confusion, although the text seems correct. Seriously it's ok, though, just put it where you were going to. The BS7671 says it's ok and how much more justification could you need? (That's where mine is!)