Should downstairs sockets be on the same ring as upstairs?

[cegueira]

The wires were separated.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Sorry - I keep forgetting that you are someone with no interest in truth, accuracy or precision.

If one is going to be that strict in one's interpretation of words

Strict?

I read the words which he wrote and did not decide that he must have written the wrong ones and that I should therefore start inventing meanings which he did not write.

is it not very unlikely that someone disconnecting a live socket down stairs would notice that upstairs sockets went off WHEN (i.e. immediately) the downstairs socket was disconnected?

No.

He could have noticed a light going off.

He could have noticed a radio going off.

He could have noticed something with a battery sounding an alarm.

There could have been someone upstairs who called out "the power has gone off".

He could have been powering his steamer with an extension lead plugged in upstairs.

There are many scenarios which do not make it very unlikely he would have noticed.

 

[AndyPRK]

It all sounds rather dangerous at present, unless there is a fused unit somewhere ?

Is there a fused unit the size of a single socket somewhere near a socket ?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

As I suspected, despite some people choosing to take the strict meaning of your words to mean something different

You just don't get it do you.

I did not choose to take the strict meaning of his words to mean something different to the truth. I took his words to mean what they said.


So - we have a downstairs socket with two cables and when separated all the other downstairs sockets still work but the ones upstairs do not.

Something is wrong - I suggest an electrician should have a look.

 

[JohnW2]

But if that socket is on a ring, it can have nothing to do with the upstairs ones, there aren't enough cables.

If (as was originally discussed) all sockets, upstairs and downstairs, were on the same ring, then there surely would be enough cables?

However, as I said, if it is all one ring, then breaking that ring by removing one socket (and leaving conductors separated) obviously should not result in any of the other sockets losing power - unless there is another break somewhere in the ring.

Kind Regards, John

 

[cegueira]

It all sounds rather dangerous at present, unless there is a fused unit somewhere ?

Is there a fused unit the size of a single socket somewhere near a socket ?

The only fused unit I know of in the house is for the cooker/oven.

 

[JohnW2]

You just don't get it do you.

Of course I 'get it' - I know you far too well not to!

So - we have a downstairs socket with two cables and when separated all the other downstairs sockets still work but the ones upstairs do not. Something is wrong - I suggest an electrician should have a look.

As I've implied, I agree.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If (as was originally discussed) all sockets, upstairs and downstairs, were on the same ring, then there surely would be enough cables?

On reflection, yes, if one of the cables at that socket went upstairs.

However, as I said, if it is all one ring, then breaking that ring by removing one socket (and leaving conductors separated) obviously should not result in any of the other sockets losing power - unless there is another break somewhere in the ring.

The fact that all of them went off indicates that the break is between the first/last and the CU.

 

[AndyPRK]

It all sounds rather dangerous at present, unless there is a fused unit somewhere ?

Is there a fused unit the size of a single socket somewhere near a socket ?

The only fused unit I know of in the house is for the cooker/oven.

A 32A device, a broken ring and possibly undersized cables does not sound good. Needs an electrican to look at it, or the protection device changed to 16 or 20A.

 

[JohnW2]

On reflection, yes, if one of the cables at that socket went upstairs.

Exactly.

The fact that all of them went off indicates that the break is between the first/last and the CU.

If all of the upstairs sockets went of, then yes. Alternatively, of course, as I mentioned, it's also theoretically possfible that all sockets (upstairs and downstairs) are on a singe radial circuit (clearly inappropriately wired with cable which is, at most, 2.5mm², on a 32A MCB).

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

Or he didn't mean all.

 

[cegueira]

It all sounds rather dangerous at present, unless there is a fused unit somewhere ?

Is there a fused unit the size of a single socket somewhere near a socket ?

The only fused unit I know of in the house is for the cooker/oven.

A 32A device, a broken ring and possibly undersized cables does not sound good. Needs an electrican to look at it, or the protection device changed to 16 or 20A.

I will be getting an electrician in then. Thanks for you help.

 

[JohnW2]

Or he didn't mean all.

Quite. That's why I wrote (complete with typo!) "If all of the upstairs sockets went of, then yes".

However, as everyone seems to be agreeing, of the many possible explanations for what the OP is observing (whether some or all of the upstairs sockets become dead), all of them indicate that 'something is wrong' and probably needs the attention of an electrician to diagnose and rectify.

Kind Regards, John