should gas hob have isolation valve?

[AGAS]

is that should as its very advisable or should as in regulatory?

you said you rang gas safe didn't you ????????? then your prepared to take someones advise you don't know on a forum , did you really ring them

 

[Steelmasons]

That is because it is required to assist with servicing the hob.

How many hobs do you service?

And to think that I often fit them for half of that!

So you would of charged £70 inclusive of materials and labour to fit the OP's hob?..inclusive of isolation valve?

 

[matz]

An isolation valve should be fitted.

But strangely perhaps it dfoes not have to be accessible.

That is because it is required to assist with servicing the hob.

And to think that I often connect them for half of that!


But two hours sounds a long time.

Was it solely connecting the hob?

Or did it include cutting out the work surface and sealing and fixing it down?

No! at last!! hole cut, hob fitted/ sealed and screwed down prior. Everything visible. He did spend 30mins trying to undo the end cap on the gas pipe from the wall before giving up and saying he couldnt do it because the carcase was preventing proper access so I jumped up and cut a bigger hole which took me 3 mins and he carried on.

 

[matz]

yes I did ring gas safe. I posted on here first and my missus said why dont you ring them which I then did. I want to make double sure I'm not misunderstanding anything before contacting the heating people

 

[AGAS]

but why are you so keen on an isolation point ? , when the only person that needs it is a gas engineer who would deal with the problem if it arises . i wonder how many customers has actually used the isolation valve

why don't you try and ring them up and ask them to fit one

you still haven't answered my question or better still just get it of your chest and tell them they are a rip off , which believe me its not

 

[matz]

but why are you so keen on an isolation point ? , when the only person that needs it is a gas engineer who would deal with the problem if it arises . i wonder how many customers has actually used the isolation valve

you still haven't answered my question or better still just get it of your chest and tell them they are a rip off , which believe me its not

havnt answered the question as I'm unsure how to deal with at the moment. Yes I think its a rip off (more to do with time taken than hourly rate) , maybe I'll tell them that, maybe not. I might just leave it and pay up and forget the valve if someone can prove its not a regulatory requirement. If it is, then I need it on there so may have a quiet word with the boss and hope that he'll get it fitted as per dan robinsons earlier post.

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if regs say a valve should be on there, it doesnt matter what I think, it should be on there...

 

[AGAS]

then made further enquiries inc this thread and Gas Safe.

if someone can prove its not a regulatory requirement

why do you need to make further enquiries ?

see what the company says and you maybe surprised

edit ; you deleted that comment fast in your last post

 

[ajstoneservices]

And to think that I often connect them for half of that!

I doubt you fit hobs or boilers as often as you would have some believe.

 

[matz]

what have I deleted?? havnt deleted anything! at least not knowingly..

below a quote, maybe the last sentence is a get out....

taken from a HSE Doc -
(6) No person shall install a gas appliance without there being at the inlet to it means of shutting off the supply of gas to the appliance unless the provision of such means is not reasonably practicable.

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agsas, you talking about my making further enquires comment - didnt intend to delete that, I'm happy to say it, not sure why it deleted

 

[dibby90]

is it practical to fit one? You said he had a nightmare with the pipework earlier?

 

[Agile]

but why are you so keen on an isolation point ? , when the only person that needs it is a gas engineer who would deal with the problem if it arises . i wonder how many customers has actually used the isolation valve

I see a few where kitchen fitters and builders have used the iso valve to close the supply when they take the hob off to replace the work surface or hob or both.

 

[matz]

is it practical to fit one? You said he had a nightmare with the pipework earlier?

well, I have a clear horizontal run of 15mm copper pipe 100mm long between the joints staring me in the face at the rear inside of the cabinet so presume he could have fitted it there but he could have refigured it anyway giving plenty of room for one IMO

 

[dibby90]

just ring and ask them to cut one in then, it'll only take 10min can't see it been a massive issue ether way if you do or don't, I just use the ecv when testing them/ cap it if removing hob to be refit later.

 

[matz]

thanks everyone for all the input. My wife will ring them this afternoon to say we think the bill is a bit dear and why is that, also she will query why there is not an isolation valve fitted. I suspect the best we can hope for is to get a valve fitted FOC. I can't deal with these people, I'm a trade myself self employed 35yrs, trades see me coming a mile off . I try to do things properly, use good people, treat them well and still it bites my arse.....

 

[hard-work]

yes you're right, my missus suggested check with gas safe which I've now done and yes the hob should have means of isolation so we have a firm here who have charged me £140 to connect two 5" lengths of 15mm copper tube to 3 compression fittings with assoc gas test checks yet they havnt provided an isolation valve....hmmm is this what I should expect from a gas safe reg firm?!

Those know and understand gas and have been working with it for many years only use soldered joints and compression fittings only at appliances. Do not accept anything less.