Side return Extension 4.5 metres - PD v Planning

[Darko]

Current wrap is with the council currently. My own view is that the simple plan makes it potentially appear as PD but when you look at the 3d render, it is against PD.

 

[Darko]

Also, I guess back to the old question - is there any benefit of going down the planning v the PD route - i.e. do neighbours have more weight in the latter or vice versa. The architect says that if you submit a PAA for 4.5m side infill and it is rejected any subsequent planning application for 4.5m will get rejected too.

 

[Nakajo]

When was current wrap received by the Council? Incidentally, too late now, but when submitting Prior Notifications it's advisable to send them to the Local Authority, rather than the Planning Department specifically.

 

[Darko]

11 Jan - what are the pros and cons of PD v full planning?

Also, if the neighbour objects in Prior App get automatically rejected or does the council go through the same considerations as they would for a planning APP.

Architect says 90% chance of planning app getting rejected as the council doesn't like these types of extension - is it worth getting a planning consultant involved? All I want is a 4.5m side (rather than the 3m which I can do without any permissions anyway).

 

[Nakajo]

Sit tight until the 22nd February.

 

[LukeB123]

LukeB123 Can you remind me how the 50% rule operates? The proposal shown is PD (under Class A Prior Approval rules) according to my interpretation.

Class A Prior Approval conditions A.4 (3) ensures that prior notification must meet any conditions or limitations permitted by Class A.

A.1 J says that development is not permitted to: Any extension that extends beyond a wall forming a side elevation and would have a greater width than 50% of the width of the original house.

Looks to me on the 3D view (and looking at the annotated measurements on the plan) that a "Wrap Around" extension such as that shown should be refused (or invalid) on Prior Notification grounds, under the limitations of Class A.

 

[Darko]

Thanks Luke - seperately, do you have a view on the question of whether there is any advantage or disadvantage to using Prior Notification v Planning for a side "infill" extension - does the council/neighbour have more say in one or the other. We will use materials to match existing so PD conditions are not a problem.

 

[Nakajo]

Luke it doesn't extend beyond a flank elevation. Not even by 1mm. Even if we consider that the closet wing forms a 'side elevation', it does not extend beyond this elevation by more than half the width of the original house. If this was the case, every Prior Approval Notification I've ever submitted would be invalid, and my LPA would have told me so.

 

[LukeB123]

The "Current Wrap" extension is definitely both a single storey side and rear extension (Looking at the "3D view of proposed extension" in the corner) - The site plan itself is drawn quite badly rather than having a separate existing and proposed plan. The width (measured at the greatest part) of the extension of "Current Wrap" (near the French doors) is then greater than 50% of the width of the original house.

I attach a really crude image to demonstrate

 

[Nakajo]

You're talking about two different things. The first illustration extends BEYOND the side elevation. The second does not.

 

[LukeB123]

I've been talking about 1 thing the majority of the thread - The second image, the drawing labelled "current wrap".

Thanks Luke - seperately, do you have a view on the question of whether there is any advantage or disadvantage to using Prior Notification v Planning for a side "infill" extension - does the council/neighbour have more say in one or the other. We will use materials to match existing so PD conditions are not a problem.

The neighbour has equal opportunity to comment in both types of application, they have a bit more importance in the prior notification application, because if they don't comment you gain approval. But if they do Comment, the weight of their comments will be looked at with the same weight in either type of application

 

[Supersax]

Only started reading this recently, but imho the CURRENTWRAP requires the submission of a full planning application, because the proposal is beyond a side wall and is more than 50% of the width of the original dwelling house, as per LukeB123's explanation. If by chance your Council approves it (which they shouldn't) then you would still have an unlawful extension if you built it. You should apply for full planning permission.

 

[Nakajo]

Re-reading the legislation, technically I have to agree with LukeB123 and Supersax. In practice, I have never had this picked up by a local authority, so I'd be tempted to wing it, and perhaps pursue an LDC afterwards.

 

[tony1851]

AI LAST!!!!!!!

 

[Darko]

In reality, even if the council approved it, I would only go up to the Side wall and not exceed the 50 pc, which would make it lawful.

Planning officer coming on Friday.