Sinn Fein members elected to Westminster

[Roy Bloom]

A sort of peace has been achieved in Ireland but there are those want to undermine it for their own gain.

There are those that want to stir up social divisions at all levels of society to promote their own agenda, whatever that may be.

 

[gant]

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[Vinty]

Because Ulster Unionists were planted in the Province by a Monarchy intent on forcing out the native Irish population.
It's no good harping on about rights as you know very well how the Protestant Majority denied those rights to Catholic Irish for over 300 years.
Power sharing is the only way to bring a semblance of peace and until the Unionists accept the result of a democratic election and get back to work at Stormont they're just throwing sand in the system.

You are almost as ill informed as Roy.
Until Sinn Fein repudiate the IRA and its crimes there won't be any peace.
Where did you get the idea that Protestants have been a majority in Ireland for 300 years.
Ulster Protestants were also denied their rights,they were persecuted because of their religion and ethnicity by the Anglican establishment and forced to emigrate to America where they helped kick-start the American revolution.
It seems history is repeating itself,back then they helped England defeat the threat from Roman Catholic Europe and were rewarded with treachery by the Anglo establishment.
This time around they helped secure the essentially English nationalist project of Brexit and once again were rewarded with treachery by Boris Johnson.

 

[Odds]

You are almost as ill informed as Roy.
Until Sinn Fein repudiate the IRA and its crimes there won't be any peace.
Where did you get the idea that Protestants have been a majority in Ireland for 300 years.
Ulster Protestants were also denied their rights,they were persecuted because of their religion and ethnicity by the Anglican establishment and forced to emigrate to America where they helped kick-start the American revolution.
It seems history is repeating itself,back then they helped England defeat the threat from Roman Catholic Europe and were rewarded with treachery by the Anglo establishment.
This time around they helped secure the essentially English nationalist project of Brexit and once again were rewarded with treachery by Boris Johnson.

So you'd much rather nurture old grievances for a new generation than grow better understanding to further relations between the communities in Ulster?
March on, boyo!

 

[Roy Bloom]

Until Sinn Fein repudiate the IRA and its crimes there won't be any peace.

And the UVF and DUP? Are they excused?
"... the DUP was involved in setting up the loyalist paramilitary movements Third Force and Ulster Resistance,[23] the latter of which helped smuggle a large shipment of weapons into Northern Ireland."

Democratic Unionist Party - Wikipedia

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"Ulster Resistance (UR), or the Ulster Resistance Movement (URM), is an Ulster loyalist paramilitary movement established by the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) in Northern Ireland in November 1986 in opposition to the Anglo-Irish Agreement."

Ulster Resistance - Wikipedia

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Where did you get the idea that Protestants have been a majority in Ireland for 300 years.

Odds referred to "the Province".

Ulster Protestants were also denied their rights,they were persecuted because of their religion and ethnicity by the Anglican establishment and forced to emigrate to America where they helped kick-start the American revolution.

You do like to re-write history.
It wasn't just the religious conflict.
"Pushed out of Ireland by religious conflicts, lack of political autonomy and dire economic conditions,

Irish | Immigration and Relocation in U.S. History | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Andrew Jackson In colonial times, the Irish population in America was second in number only to the English. Many early Irish immigrants were of Scottish or English descent and came from the northern province of Ulster. Pushed out of Ireland by religious conflicts, lack of political autonomy and...

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Many catholics also emigrated.
Irish-Catholic Immigration to America

Irish-Catholic Immigration to America | Irish | Immigration and Relocation in U.S. History | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

The Carroll Mansion and St. Mary's from the Spa [Creek], Annapolis, Md. Irish-Catholic immigrants came to America during colonial times, too. For example, Charles Carroll immigrated to America in 1706. His grandson, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, signed his name to the Declaration of Independence.

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It seems history is repeating itself,back then they helped England defeat the threat from Roman Catholic Europe and were rewarded with treachery by the Anglo establishment.
This time around they helped secure the essentially English nationalist project of Brexit and once again were rewarded with treachery by Boris Johnson.

Typical colonial behaviour.

 

[gant]

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Sign of the times it's now considered 'weird'

 

[Vinty]

Odds referred to "the Province".

Odds claimed that Protestants denied rights to Roman Catholics for 300 years.
I pointed out that Protestants in Ulster had their rights denied as well.

The Penal Laws were introduced into Ireland in the year 1695, disenfranchising nonconformists in favour of the minority established Church of Ireland, aligned with the Protestant Church of England. The laws' principal victims were members of the Catholic Church, numbering over three quarters of the population in the south, and adherents of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, a majority of the population in Ulster. These laws included:

• Education Act 1695
• Banishment Act 1697
• Registration Act 1704
• Popery Act 1704 and 1709
• Disenfranchising Act 1728

The laws were eventually repealed, beginning in the 1770s by the 1774 Quebec Act and the Papists Act 1778. The British Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 was followed in Ireland in 1793. Finally in 1829 Catholic emancipation was enacted, largely due to Irish political agitation organised under Daniel O'Connell in the 1820s. Sectarianism between Catholics and Protestants persisted through the 20th century, and its effects can still be seen, particularly in Northern Ireland, today

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Was Ireland Irish originally ?

 

[Odds]

Yes.

 

[Vinty]

And the UVF and DUP? Are they excused?
"... the DUP was involved in setting up the loyalist paramilitary movements.

The DUP and Sinn Féin are not comparable.
Sinn Féin still claims that its role in the IRA was legitimate.
They are similar to the Nazi party and its military wing the S.S.
The Nazi party did the politics and S.S. bumped off the party's rivals.
The DUP on the other hand has no military wing, the Ulster Resistance was a protest movement, (it was never outlawed) , the DUP were probably as shocked as everyone else to discover that some of its members were involved in law breaking.

You need to stop allowing your bigotry colouring you views.

 

[Odds]

Invoking Godwin's Law will not help your argument.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes.

So if Ireland was Irish originally, who decided there should be a separate Northern Ireland ?

 

[Odds]

The English.

 

[Brigadier]

From the old French "Ire Land", meaning "land of the angry"

 

[Odds]