Socket in the way of new wall - how to handle?

[Northman]

I am moving a stud wall to a position where there is a single socket in just the wrong place, with an 80-90% overlap with where I want the wall. (In the photo below the new position of the wall is shown by the two higher pencil marks near the socket.

The cables to the socket are in a chase down from the ceiling. The second photo shows the space in the ceiling directly above the socket - the cables disappearing down into the wall don't look as if they would easily move to allow moving the socket to the right (probably the other side of that steel) where it would be of more use.

How to deal with this? Ideas for moving or removing altogether? (Ideally we would like a socket in or near that position

).

thanks

 

[blup]

Removing the socket for the new stud wall would take it out of the safe zone so you will have to drop a new chase from the ceiling perpendicular to the location of the new socket.

 

[foxhole]

Raising the socket would release enough cable to move to the right.

 

[trojanhawrs]

Removing the socket for the new stud wall would take it out of the safe zone so you will have to drop a new chase from the ceiling perpendicular to the location of the new socket.

It wouldn't actually, safe zone includes 150mm from wall corners

 

[Northman]

Thanks all. What about taking the cables up from that existing socket, dropping them down on the line of the old wall position (where the brown wood is in the first photo), fitting a new double socket there, then extending that horizontally to the right past the new wall to and adding a double socket where convenient?

 

[trojanhawrs]

In pic 2 is it the joists or the steel that's in line with your socket wall? Is the socket wall masonry?

 

[Northman]

The joists are parallel to the wall. That one to the left is just on the edge of the masonry wall (an external wall) that has the socket in, and which supports that steel.
I think the cable disappearing into the top of the joist by the steel is going to sockets in the bedroom above.

 

[trojanhawrs]

It's much preferable to chase vertically in masonry as horizontal chases weaken the wall more easily. If you see oval conduit going into the socket there's a slim chance you'll be able to pull those cables back up, otherwise there's basically no chance without bursting the plaster out. I'd say your best options are to move the socket where you can get the cable to comfortably (maybe slightly higher as suggested) or join them in the ceiling void and run a new chase up. If leaving the existing cables just mark plumb lines up on both sides of the cable entry used for the existing socket and hope the sparky put them there when you're fixing your new stud.

 

[blup]

It wouldn't actually, safe zone includes 150mm from wall corners

The OP wants a socket in or near the new position, so he should be made aware of the 150mm rule which is protect buried cables

 

[blup]

Thanks all. What about taking the cables up from that existing socket, dropping them down on the line of the old wall position (where the brown wood is in the first photo), fitting a new double socket there, then extending that horizontally to the right past the new wall to and adding a double socket where convenient?

Tap in to tne ring /radial under the floor boards and drop down to new socket

 

[SUNRAY]

What you can't do is fix a stud to the wall if you wish to retain the existing cables as it will be right in line with them. Could the new sockets go in the new stud wall, that will save a lot of chasing.

 

[blup]

What you can't do is fix a stud to the wall if you wish to retain the existing cables as it will be right in line with them. Could the new sockets go in the new stud wall, that will save a lot of chasing.

The new stud wall looks like it will be directly below the steel

 

[SUNRAY]

The new stud wall looks like it will be directly below the steel

Yes I think you are right, hopefully it may be something on this sort of line

But I can't tell exact dimensions or placement from the pics

 

[Northman]

Thanks all for the further thoughts. It does look like the best option is to mount the socket in the stud wall (and possibly have sockets both sides).
I think the wall (and therefore the cable drop) will be slightly in front of the steel - I think its far enough away from the line of the wall that I can screw the header into the joists that are resting on the beam. Some careful measurement first on the list this morning!

If its as tricky as @trojanhawrs suggests to pull the cables up from the existing chase, then I guess I need to open that chase up to remove them before re-routing down into the stud wall space?
Best way to run the cables inside the stud? pin to centre of stud?

many thanks for all the suggestions so far, very helpful.

 

[blup]

I would just drop it down, it's easier to pull out if you need to later. Clipped at the top and bottom to maintain the stretch though