speeding ticket.

[AlanB27]

Its funny, I seen someone getting caught today. Dont know what speed they were doing as I was approaching junction from behind the police, but as they were pulling him over I caught a glimpse of the policewomans face..... it was something like + + =

So im guessing he was caning it. Right next to a primary school 2

 

[doyle]

its not so bad if you can identify the vehicles they use marked up, but these new vans they use with art deco on the side to make them look like builders vans are somewhat questionable.

not sure but i would think people would have the right to argue tickets by from entrapments of concealed camera vans

 

[^neo^]

not sure but i would think people would have the right to argue tickets by from entrapments of concealed camera vans

Speeding is breaking the law.
Like saying shoplifters can argue entrapment from getting caught by CCTV

Like every law in the land though, there is usually a way round it

 

[doyle]

i think its a money making business these days hence the way they go about doing it, i think thats what upset most prople these days anyway

 

[Softus]

i think its a money making business these days hence the way they go about doing it, i think thats what upset most prople these days anyway

I was flashed doing 80 in a 70 whilst in a daze on the way back from my grandmother's funeral. £60 and 3 points, and I'm not in the least bit upset - it served me right for not concentrating.

What annoys me is people trying to weadle out of their just deserts by pleading some weak technical case, instead of just facing the music.

Money making business. FFS.

 

[joe-90]

It would annoy me if i were booked as a stick within the limits for 99% of the time. Everyone has those minor lapses and goes a bit too quick every now and again. A warning would suffice, or a lecture on good driving principles and the evils of speeding.

 

[tim west]

its not so bad if you can identify the vehicles they use marked up, but these new vans they use with art deco on the side to make them look like builders vans are somewhat questionable.

not sure but i would think people would have the right to argue tickets by from entrapments of concealed camera vans

not seen these "vans" round our way yet but isn't the whole point of these "safety" cameras to make people aware of accident hotspots, therefore disguising them is defeating the object the authorities are trying to achieve,
better off making them extremely visible to warn drivers.
Which brings us unto how trapping cameras can be perceived as anything to do with safety anyway?? surely big signs would do the job? capturing someone's image on a camera and then fining them, seems to me just to penalise someone who obviously didn't realise it was a blackspot instead of making them aware by signage that this is so. It may well stop that individual in future but wouldn't have achieved the desired effect of avoiding a potential accident at the time.

 

[Softus]

Which brings us unto how trapping cameras can be perceived as anything to do with safety anyway?

The thing is, tim w, that road safety has increased over the years, and many people believe safety cameras to have been a big contribution. Do you have a different explanation of it? I'm serious about this.

surely big signs would do the job? capturing someone's image on a camera and then fining them, seems to me just to penalise someone who obviously didn't realise it was a blackspot instead of making them aware by signage that this is so.

The warning of a speed limit is the the sign that says "30" (or whatever). They're quite big, and everyone is aware of them. I don't see that any more signs are needed. It's easy to avoid getting caught speeding: don't speed anywhere.

It may well stop that individual in future but wouldn't have achieved the desired effect of avoiding a potential accident at the time.

Every car that slows down becomes an obstacle to the drivers that want to speed, and an alert that the speed limit might be less than they think.

 

[Trazor]

I was flashed doing 80 in a 70 whilst in a daze on the way back from my grandmother's funeral. £60 and 3 points, and I'm not in the least bit upset - it served me right for not concentrating.

What annoys me is people trying to weadle out of their just deserts by pleading some weak technical case, instead of just facing the music.

Money making business. FFS.

And that is one of the problems that speed cameras create, a police officer stopping you in those circumstances may well have let you off with a warning.
But if you live in Warwickshire as I do, their is not ONE traffic patrol car on duty, the only police car you will see, is a response car.
They have been replaced by the ubiquitous speed camera.

Whilst accepting, that cameras generally slow traffic down, it is done with revenue in mind.

I live out in the country, on a long straight road, with a 30 mph limit.
Cars regularly do 40/50/60 mph, and 2 road accident deaths have occurred in the last 3 years.
Our requests for traffic calming, have been brushed aside, the reason being that their is......" insufficient volume of traffic "...Translation..... its not cost effective............

Sweden have a system, especially near schools, that when a speeding car is detected, a set of traffic lights turns red forcing you to stop. So drivers get to understand that by obeying the speed limits,they will get where they are going faster.
A neat and clever solution........

 

[anobium]

Softus wrote

The thing is, tim w, that road safety has increased over the years, and many people believe safety cameras to have been a big contribution. Do you have a different explanation of it? I'm serious about this

Depends on how you measure it.
I think that disc brakes , air bags, and other safety features in car design have been the main reasons for the falling death rate.

 

[doyle]

well i cant see the speed cameras saving lives or altering accident rates, success is based on lower accidents in fine weather we have of recent years not the amount of revenue raised by disguised camera units or old bill hiding behind bush's, van doors up to hide lights and cheverons/markings etc.

take grange rd lancs listed as one of the most dangerous rds in britain, not much sign of speed cameras on that rd where accidents happen.
people consentration does lack when behind the wheel and its that, that causes accidents ussually in wet whether does a safety cam really alter peoples consentration for the rest of the journey or do they think feck it im past it now.

 

[Softus]

And that is one of the problems that speed cameras create, a police officer stopping you in those circumstances may well have let you off with a warning.

I wouldn't want anyone else to be let off. I knew the camera was there, I knew the limit, I'd done the journey countless times, so why do you think I deserve, or want, to be let off?

But if you live in Warwickshire as I do, their is not ONE traffic patrol car on duty, the only police car you will see, is a response car.
They have been replaced by the ubiquitous speed camera.

Good. Since safety cameras have been shown to reduce speed and speed has been shown to reduce accident rate and severity, you have safer roads as a result.

Whilst accepting, that cameras generally slow traffic down, it is done with revenue in mind.

That's just unsubstantiated propaganda.

I live out in the country, on a long straight road, with a 30 mph limit.
Cars regularly do 40/50/60 mph, and 2 road accident deaths have occurred in the last 3 years.

Also good. That brings down the number of nutters speeding down your road.

Our requests for traffic calming, have been brushed aside, the reason being that their is......" insufficient volume of traffic "...Translation..... its not cost effective............

Then you must keep trying. I know of a village in which it took 12 years to get traffic calming, but get it they did.

Sweden have a system, especially near schools, that when a speeding car is detected, a set of traffic lights turns red forcing you to stop. So drivers get to understand that by obeying the speed limits,they will get where they are going faster.

That's an excellent system - I'd vote for that.

 

[Steve]

All mobile speed camera sites are signposted with speed camera signs. Ok, so its the whole 5 mile stretch of road! But dont speed! I do find myself slowing down because of the risk of there being a speed van round the corner. Normally I might have broken the speed limit there as its a mainly long straight road, but it proves that the mobile cameras work. Probably better than fixed cameras.

 

[Trazor]

Whilst accepting, that cameras generally slow traffic down, it is done with revenue in mind.

That's just unsubstantiated propaganda.

"Re-investment of speeding fines
Safety camera partnerships are not there to raise money and neither the police nor the local authority receive any money from the operation of safety cameras. Strict Treasury rules mean that any money from fines that is returned to the safety camera partnerships can only be spent on the operational costs of their camera network, including new cameras where the need can be identified. All remaining money goes to the Treasury, it does not stay with the Partnership."

That was copied from a government website.

Just how can the two highlighted areas in red, both be true.......
The amount gathered by the Treasury, was not shown......


Will you now prove, that it is not done with revenue in mind.......

 

[Softus]

Just how can the two highlighted areas in red, both be true.......

I don't see the dichotomy that you do. Some of the money is passed to the Partnership, the remainder staying with the Treasury.

Will you now prove, that it is not done with revenue in mind.......

I don't think I have any duty to disprove a claim for which I see no grounds. If you feel like providing some rational and factual reasoning that illustrates how the outcome is proof of the intent, then I'll be interested to read it.