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I can't understand how anyone is supposed to use the tradertv emails to trade, as I have explained to you, and as you haven't responded to. So how am I going to use them?

Sure, I saw that XBP are going to use their software on some Oracle platform. Was I supposed to conclude that some small British software company with offices next to Burger King by the Egham bypass was going to have a material effect on Oracle's share price?

Shorting XBP's shares into this morning would have been good. But I didn't take it further because I suspected that there would be no way to do it, and I had better things to do than try to find out. Reading about Andorra might have been as profitable a use of my time.
 
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I don't see how anyone could spot that this was going to jump
BTCT did again what it did yesterday. It doubled. I'll be looking tomorrow too...
T212 slashed the amount you can use on the cfd platform. It's down to 71 shares, which is £240 or so of margin :( .
 
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I can't understand how anyone is supposed to use the tradertv emails to trade, as I have explained to you, and as you haven't responded to. So how am I going to use them?
As reproduced above, #788, they give you the names which are reporting, their co details, premarket moves.... which are rising or falling etc etc.
If you can't work out how you might use any of that then nobody can help you, I fear. You're attempting something beyond you.

You're trolling again. Egham? TTV are in Canada ffs.

I had better things to do
Whose problem is that? Yours or theirs?

You are "supposed" as you put it, to use your brain.
You seem to think you're entited not to have to learn or do anything for yourself. ??
 
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Sure, I saw that XBP are going to use their software on some Oracle platform. Was I supposed to conclude that some small British software company with offices next to Burger King by the Egham bypass was going to have a material effect on Oracle's share price?

You're trolling again. Egham? TTV are in Canada ffs.

How on earth can you manage to misunderstand what I say so readily? Are you a bot?
 
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How on earth can you manage to misunderstand what I say so readily? Are you a bot?
You're sayinig something about somewhere in Egham. WHich has no relevance to anything. FFS.
Makes a change from Andorra but equally, silly.
 
I admit to being AI. But maybe it's interesting for people to see two bots arguing.
 
Bonkers bitcoin - or more specifically the ticker $BTCT.

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I used a log scale to decompress the bottom, but those are dollars, not %.
So Your $2 investment on the 10th, last Monday, is now, Thursday midday, $25.30

A lump dropped on it yesterday afternoon is now a lump and a half.
OK. Thank you very much, but it's
Bonkers
 
Can we start thinking about inflation now? Think I'll sell some gold.
I'm partly out of gold now because it's difficult - inflation sends it up and interest rates send it down, so maybe I was lucky that it came down so nicely. Powell speaking today though, and maybe he can help us focus on the latter. Also the trend has been down all month.

Decided to buy some Berkshire Hathaway and Chesapeake Energy.
 
I have some Berks B. The growth is as much from the dollar strength effect as the stock itself.
Spare cash is going into "long USD Short JPY 3x", It evens out the currency price and provides over 1% a day recently.

If Nvidia results aren't spectacular, I'm ready for a collapse. PLTR gone go down a lot too. IWM (the Russel 2000 - smaller size companies) is a safer bet.
I bought Biotech as a diversification - I'm glad I'm out now that imbecile is in charge of health.
 
Out of it or long? Gold due to climb back up I think. Painfully slow, though.
I'm long 3x MSTR and 3CON in two orphaned p[ensions. Each took a long time to get to 2xxk over the years "under professional management", now they're both 5xx about 10 days after going into the ETFs. Just think, if you only had 400k in a pension pot, those 10 days would transform the rest of your life. Roughly, an annuity of 20k a year would go up to 50k. That's from tight, to plenty.
3Con made me twitchy because it dipped before going back up, and in a pension you can't do anything fast.
I don't think there's a limit to bitcoin. 100k, then to the mooooooon.

Otherwise I withdrew a bit from plain tech funds, and went into small-caps. Now we know the NVIDIA results were a bit of a non event, it may prove to have been a decent move if highest-tech loses its sparkle. They're currently ticking over at over 1% a day. You only need about 0.025% to beat building society rates. 1% a day, 250 working days a year, is times twelve.

AJ Bell have a good screener. It threw up a decent Bond, Artemis funds (Lux) Glbl Hi Yld, which is better than the MAN ones at the moment. Probably.
 
Out of it or long? Gold due to climb back up I think. Painfully slow, though.
I'm long 3x MSTR and 3CON in two orphaned p[ensions. Each took a long time to get to 2xxk over the years "under professional management", now they're both 5xx about 10 days after going into the ETFs. Just think, if you only had 400k in a pension pot, those 10 days would transform the rest of your life. Roughly, an annuity of 20k a year would go up to 50k. That's from tight, to plenty.
3Con made me twitchy because it dipped before going back up, and in a pension you can't do anything fast.
I don't think there's a limit to bitcoin. 100k, then to the mooooooon.

Otherwise I withdrew a bit from plain tech funds, and went into small-caps. Now we know the NVIDIA results were a bit of a non event, it may prove to have been a decent move if highest-tech loses its sparkle. They're currently ticking over at over 1% a day. You only need about 0.025% to beat building society rates. 1% a day, 250 working days a year, is times twelve.

AJ Bell have a good screener. It threw up a decent Bond, Artemis funds (Lux) Glbl Hi Yld, which is better than the MAN ones at the moment. Probably.
I was short before and then went long.

If I understand these leveraged products correctly, you could do better spread-betting couldn't you? Then you have to put up 20% margin, whereas for your 3* products you are getting 3* the return for putting up 1 * the price, so that's equivalent to 33% margin. I suppose you have to take the money out of a pension fund though.
 
A bad day, I guess. Commiserations. I know you bought ten days ago, but what happens if you are in a 3* leveraged ETF and the value of the underlying drops by over a third? Do they close it out? Or are you in the position that you won't suffer any more losses, but still have the potential for gain? I suspect the former, the latter sounds too good to be true.
 
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If I understand these leveraged products correctly, you could do better spread-betting couldn't you? Then you have to put up 20% margin, whereas for your 3* products you are getting 3* the return for putting up 1 * the price, so that's equivalent to 33% margin. I suppose you have to take the money out of a pension fund though.
You would if you could operate spread-betting inside an isa. AFA I know you can't - nor CFD which is same leverage as SB. You could take it out of the ISA but you couldn't put it back in again. So it's handy to be left there. Pensions are even more difficult of course.
A complication is thatthey're UK based, so if youleave them overnight you're exposed to the US movements in their last 4 1/2 hours of trading. NOt ideal.

Like the others - it's a disaster if you look away or forget a stop loss, or forget you deliberately didn't apply a stop loss.
Trading212 is deficient in that you can't apply a stop loss as well as a Take Profit. Crap platform for investing really.

It worked in ,my favour for once, this morning. Yesterday as the price was dropping I set a take-profit optmistically above the hump in the price MSTR was descending from. In the red box, below. I didn't want it to hit a SL at any level, I'd just wait. SO overnight again. Hate that.

Bleary eyed at 8:07 this morning I started swearing, quite a lot.
MSTR stopped out, it said. OhFFS, I thought I must have left a too-low-to hit SL. It'll have dumped me.

F F F F F F F F itty F what the F has is sold at, 300???

Nope. The forgotten TP was at the yellow line, but the opening Gap went way above it, so I got the tip of the blue arrow., 444 or something. QUite a bit better than 300 when there ae zeroes attached.

I had a bit of a moment. I did dibble about after that but cleared orf when it started dropping. Lost a bit but tiny in comparison.
That's a first

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It rose later, I was in it for a mall amountnot in the pension, than as you say it dumped.

I'm holding overnight again, hoping it'll do the same. Oh yeah, better set a stop!.

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Interactive investor is like Trading 212, a bit crap. AJ bell looks much better, They do leveraged ETFs too
Inv.Engine is sparse. Cheap but no thankyou.
Fidelity looks qute good but I haven't del;ved into it beyond being impressed by the range of funds.

Even HL which is infamous for fees, is such a better site that the fees are not so bad. Transferring funds about is free, but shares are £24 round trip.
They're also on the phone and speak English.

@kingandy2nd on reflection, eToro is better in a lot of ways than Trading212.
It threw me at first, you have to put things into a Watch list before you can look at them. So everything's in one for me.
Neither is good for everything.
 
Feeling generous - lesson for Andy. This is relaxed, you can do it on your phone watching telly. It was doing this a lot today but actually this chart s live now, running since a few hours ago
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Money: This is on the CFD platform The leverage on this index is 20:1. Usually it's 5:1.
Those are real dollars on the right. SO if you have ONE share and the price goes 20740 to 20760, you made 20 bucks. 10 shares, 200 bucks, etc.



The price is rising, from south west. Then you get a reversal called a reversion. The horizontal-ish run of reversions is called consolidation. Consolidation has a a range, This is a slightly rising pattern, which is great.
A trend, is a series of higher highs, and lower lows. One zigzag indicates, but could be unreliable, you you're twitchy. As you get more zags your confidence increases.
You suspect it might happen because it's common.
At the second change of direction, where it starts going north east, you "enter" ie buy your share near the bottom of the arrow.. You have an idea where it'll stop rising
1) because of where the last "high" was,
2) the S curve in the run of candles,
3) the way the tops of the wicks get shorter.
4)The last candle often has a longer wick when it reversess. (See the long red "bottoming tail" candles above). So you're IN, and you see that long extended wick, and you hit Close very near the top. Perfick. You can also use those long wicks to time your entry.

I've misplaced the arrows a bit so you can see. Same at the bottoms. You could go "short" as well or instead, if you wanted to.

One share would be perfectly viable. If you had say $1500 in your pot, you could trade with $1000. times 20 is about 1 share.

If you added up all those whitish arrows, you'd get about 8 lots of the 20 dollar scale intervals, = $160.

Things can get messy, the runty little arrow in the middle could make you a slight loss. Note the uptrend has stopped, so it was riskier.. If the trend were still going you'd hold on , and wait for the price to have a wobble and carry on up.
You would NOT enter at the next reverse, near the ar$e of the pink arrow, because humps are common - the price could have easily carried on in the direction of the pink arrow.

WHat happens is you grow your pot to say 10k. still using 1k to "bet" with, then give 5k to her indoors for safe keeping.
Eventually you size up, when you're better at it. How much could you lose - well if an arrow jerks down, maybe $100 before you close. But there are tools top help with all that so it's generally less. You place stops, as mentioned earlier.

SO lets say the wife's gone out , you've grown your pot, you can use $5k for your trades. so you could lose say $500, If you do, and you fret about it, give up trading. Losses are part of the cost of doing business. They will happen, you have to limit the damage. You can practice trade, to gain confidence and learn. If you keep cocking it up you start to believe your own excuses.
Then you will have an attack of the vapours.

Otherwise, trading with 5k, (which is all "winnings" if you collect them up,) you make $800 bucks watching the same telly.
There are supposed "rules " about how much you should risk, but they're hard to apply.
It's actually easier than it seems here, because of the stops you set, but the enemy is your brain. It wants to forget the rules, and then worry, and then have a go at something daft, and then cry about it. That's about 10 times more of a problem than seeing the trades coming.

I use £80k, because it's all winnings, and it's less than the FSCS limit (which means bu8ger all really), and I can "hold the mental" in check at that level. It's not money, it's tokens. You stick to the rules and you gain tokens. If not, your rules are wrong, or you misapplied or you cocked up.
There are LOADS of sets of rules you can learn, but you can win something every day with only one or two learned rules.
Sometimes I can't handle it, and only watch telly, or use 1 dollar at a time, to restore the mental.
Then - do the sums, you have 800k x 20 to play with
So that's 16 times 800 bucks which is ok for the couple of hours.

People say oh that's BS you're lying it doesn't work out like that everybody loses and the rest.

Which bit was hard? If yo like, you can wait for a setup like the above, and ONLY trade in the middle of the runs. OK, so you'd make less. But you almost never lose

Rule #1 is to go wth the trend, when you're learning, not least because if you miss your entry/exit point, you can wait, and after a missed cycle, it'll be going your way again. That's more obvious on a steeper trend.

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Here's another ploy. You recognize an up trend., like inside the red box below. Easier when there's a catalyst in the news, Trumpy said something sensible, Elon farted, etc.
You enter SHORT at the tops of the extra tall candles .
AS I said, the micro points like tops of wicks are easy to nail.
A common thing which catches people, is that they identify a trend, go with it, and it immediately reverses on them. The price "doesn't clear the spread" and they're out the wrong way for a loss.

What you're really doing now is going with the mini trends in the reverse direction to the main trend ( which is at the longer timescale)

So if the trend reverses on you, you've just entered in the right direction, you just hold on. The candles overlap, so if the whole move is 10 dollars, you can "scalp" out 20, 30 dollars from it. A minute is a long time. Sometimes you can take 3 small trades all inside a 1 minute candle, so you get 10 dollars in one direction plus more in the other. Not hard but needs practice and the right sort of movement, and really a better platform than I have. I do it sometimes but it's against their rules for some reason. You can decide to scalp short OR long, or both, inside a candle. That's what the "bots" do. They don't need coffee.

You combine the techniques. WHere you didn't go LONG at the beginning of the pink arrow up above, you feared thatthe trend might be going down. . SO what do you do?? You go short atthe tops of the green candles when they appear, Then if the trend does go short, you;re setto gain from simpy holding on.


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